Lost - The Full Series Thread

[Blu3Flame]

I am the only person then who enjoys the flash sideways for simply being interesting character pieces.

[mercenarri]

Is there a site that lists the show's unanswered questions?

There is the 4815162342 forum but it seems to be down at the moment. They have a compiled list of unanswered stuff in the General thread, and it's a pretty long list...

What if Locke died in the original plane crash and has been smokey all along? Perhaps the island didn't heal him at all, just that his body was taken over by smokey because he died when the plane crashed? Pretty long shot for sure, but if you think back to the Zen like Locke of the first season - it's not entirely impossible. I always thought it was a big deal that he knew when it would rain. Perhaps the Locke that Ben killed was just a clone of Fake Locke, in the same way that we see the Locke who is walking around now as the clone of the one who Ben strangled.

Can smokey create multiple manifestations of the same body?

We still have no idea who Juliette shot in one of those boats when they time-jumped and took the boats that time.

I'll bet it's the crew from the Black Rock or something. It could be explained in a Richard centric episode.

[mercenarri]

I'm beginning to have faith in the flash sideways stuff, since Jack was inquiring about his appendix. I'm expecting a pretty massive reveal, possibly somehow involving Desmond.

Is it plausible that Jacob's "they are coming" comment somehow refers to the alt-timeline characters?

[Luke]

I am the only person then who enjoys the flash sideways for simply being interesting character pieces.

No, I love them.

I also love all the "is that...?..oooooh it is!!" moments.

[Goose]

I don't mind the flash-sideways - though I didn't like Kate's a whole lot, but that's more to do with her character than the actual device itself.

[squirtle]

Perhaps at the start that was the plan but I think we've long passed that stage. I'm quite sure they said time travel would never become a theme of the show yet season 5 was full it, setting up a lot of what we saw took place before the plane crashed and a fair bit after it. They've also, as season six got closer, stated that there's going to be things we won't get an answer to but that by the end of the season you will know what happens to everybody, if that makes sense. I assume it means you won't just see a person walk off into the sunset - they'll have a definitive resolution to their storyline.

Is there a site that lists the show's unanswered questions?

What if Locke died in the original plane crash and has been smokey all along? Perhaps the island didn't heal him at all, just that his body was taken over by smokey because he died when the plane crashed? Pretty long shot for sure, but if you think back to the Zen like Locke of the first season - it's not entirely impossible. I always thought it was a big deal that he knew when it would rain. Perhaps the Locke that Ben killed was just a clone of Fake Locke, in the same way that we see the Locke who is walking around now as the clone of the one who Ben strangled.

I'm still, at the moment, going with Jacob knowing exactly what he is doing. That Ben killing the original Locke and then getting his body back to the island so that the MIB could clone it was all played out exactly how he wanted it to be. At some point Jacob is going to make good on that, revealing a part of the true Locke inside the fake one. Or something. I also reckon the alt-reality is going to start clashing more, with more coincidences taking place, as the season wears on, until it reaches saturation point.

We still have no idea who Juliette shot in one of those boats when they time-jumped and took the boats that time.

But Locke saw the monster/smokey in one of the early episodes of Series 1. Obviously, the reason smokey didn't do anything to him was because he recognised him from the past and knew that he was going to be his way of getting free.

[Goose]

But Locke saw the monster/smokey in one of the early episodes of Series 1. Obviously, the reason smokey didn't do anything to him was because he recognised him from the past and knew that he was going to be his way of getting free.

Bugger!

[squirtle]

Bugger!

"I have looked into the eye of the island, and what I saw... was beautiful..." from episode 5 of season 1, when Locke is speaking to Jack.

This conversation happens when Jack is going through the jungle after seeing Christian on the island. When speaking to Locke he tells him that it;s impossible for him to have seen who thinks he has seen. Locke asks him what if it's not. Jack's reply, "Then we're all in a lot of trouble," is incredibly prophetic knowing what we know now. That Christian was Smokey etc.

I love how minor, inconsequential things in the early episodes are being borne out now.

[Monkeyboy]

I really have no idea what's going on in this show any more. It peaked with season 4 anyway. This current season seems to trudging along awfully slowly. But still I'll stick with it. On current form, I don't think I'll actually be sad to see it go. I couldn't stomach another season full of vague nonsense.

[therearerules]

It's slow, but I figure it's going to ratch it up, it will have to- it's the final season.

[Luke]

...knowing what we know now. That Christian was Smokey etc.

I'm not sure we do know that, do we?

Claire seems to recognise Christian and Smokey as two separate people, and knew instantly that Locke was Smokey.

Also, Smokey didn't seem to need Locke's body to appear as him. What happened to Christians body? Smokey Locke is also able to touch people, Christian didn't seem able to.

I'm not 100% on the idea that Christian was Smokey.

[A Hen]

It's slow, but I figure it's going to ratch it up, it will have to- it's the final season.

How about if, two minutes before the end of the final episode, one of the characters will say "oh no, we're in a TV show!". It will then cut to the writers sitting around the table in their story planning room, looking pretty deflated, and one of them will say "so none of you can think how to end it then? Fair enough." And then the credits will roll. At least that ending will explain everything!

[cantonarv]

I really have no idea what's going on in this show any more. It peaked with season 4 anyway. This current season seems to trudging along awfully slowly. But still I'll stick with it. On current form, I don't think I'll actually be sad to see it go. I couldn't stomach another season full of vague nonsense.

but then what could beat season 4 !

this season is too much of a slow burner i hate the x universe

[Venice Cull]

Surely the alternate universe is there to show just how far back into the character's lives Jacob has been meddling/changing to have them end up on the island? I doubt we'll see any convergence between the two timelines, or any deeper storyline for it.

That said, I do have a nagging suspicion the writers hadn't quite figured out the exact ending at the time of filming these episodes though, so maybe something will come of it.

[squ1ffy]

I got the feeling that Jack in the side flashes isn't 100% the alternative timeline Jack - him forgetting the appendix thing felt significant (not just a device to say 'look his early years were different'), and also that when asked how long his son had played the piano he said 'I don't know'.

[Sponge]

Didn't Jacob go see Jack at quite a late stage in his life though? Jack was already a surgeon, and was trying to get something out of a vending machine and Jacob helped. So really that doesn't go very far back in Jack's life at all, certainly not back to pre-kid days. Which kind of ruins the idea that the alt-timeline shows Jacob's influence (or lack of).

[joeplus]

I also reckon the alt-reality is going to start clashing more, with more coincidences taking place, as the season wears on, until it reaches saturation point.

I think, and hope, that this is bang on the money. I reckon that within the next half-dozen episodes things are going to start "lining up" more an more, and that the pre-finale episode will explain why. Then the finale will either be a massive rush to unite the two timelines/destroy one of them/create some mad loop.

Also, considering the "god chess" angle, which I'm obsessed with - does anyone think it's significant that there are two versions of all the characters? Like the black set and the white set in chess?

[Fireproofradiator]

I got the feeling that Jack in the side flashes isn't 100% the alternative timeline Jack - him forgetting the appendix thing felt significant (not just a device to say 'look his early years were different'), and also that when asked how long his son had played the piano he said 'I don't know'.

It almost feels as if, at some point in the future of this season, they're gonna be placed on the plane with their memories of what happened on the island removed, or something.

[rubberducker]

is the "they" that jacob says are coming - possibly some of the ALT lost crew (including alt locke) who have been brought by destiny to the island, from their alt dimension??

[Anne Summers]

I think the main problem with the flash sidewayses is that people were expecting the last season to be all "Crash! Bang! Massive Reveal!!!?!" but actually they're playing it super cool (to start with at least)

[makkuwata]

A house-mate is watching through Season 2 at the minute, just watched "Question Mark" with him. It's weird to watch Locke and Eko discover the hatch under the smuggler plane with a post-season 5 perspective. It's no longer about them uncovering another secret of the island. The Dharma aesthetic is now so familiar. For a while on the show it was "home". The cyclical nature of all that works really well on repeat viewings.

Also: I might have actually shed a tear when Hurley was sitting with Libby, saying he was sorry he forgot the blankets.

Edit: Now watching the next episode. Charlie giving Claire the vaccine from the Dharma air-drop. I don't know how the mystical smokey infection could tie in with Dharma's awareness of there being an infection (quarantine written on the inside of the hatch etc) and it probably won't be addressed at all. But it did strike me as signficant that Claire was the only one of the survivors to be taking this..."vaccine".

[Venice Cull]

Didn't Jacob go see Jack at quite a late stage in his life though? Jack was already a surgeon, and was trying to get something out of a vending machine and Jacob helped. So really that doesn't go very far back in Jack's life at all, certainly not back to pre-kid days. Which kind of ruins the idea that the alt-timeline shows Jacob's influence (or lack of).

Hmmm. That is a good point. No idea then.

[Luke]

Hmmm. That is a good point. No idea then.

The earliest time we've been shown was when Jack was a surgeon, but that doesn't mean it was the first time.

We've also been shown Jacob was watching his childhood home, so may have been influencing things for much longer.

It also seems Jacob can make things happen, like Juliette's ex being hit by the bus, Sayid's wife being hit by a car, Locke's dad being in a car crash, Juliette's sister having her cancer cured. It's unclear if any or all of these things were down to Jacob, but I believe most were (except Juliette's sister's cancer - I think Ben was just lying about it having returned in the first place), so he could have been having all kinds of other influences in the candidates lives.

I don't think the alt reality is just a "what if" though, not least because I don't see how that could ever be explained within the show. There must be more to it than that.

[whizzo]

SO who do we think Jacks kids mum is? Juliet?

[Venice Cull]

SO who do we think Jacks kids mum is? Juliet?

The big reveal will be Locke in a wig and make-up.

[zxcvbnm]

"Hi Honey, I'm home".

[squirtle]

Edit: Now watching the next episode. Charlie giving Claire the the vaccine from the Dharma air-drop. I don't know how the mystical smokey infection could tie in with Dharma's awareness of there being an infection (quarantine written on the inside of the hatch etc) and it probably won't be addressed at all. But it did strike me as signficant that Claire was the only one of the survivors to be taking this..."vaccine".

Oh, that's interesting. I forgot about Claire needing the vaccination.

I wonder if this infection is also the reason why woman on the island die from pregnancy...? Maybe the Smokey infection is able to get to them in utero or something and turns the foetus against the mother somehow...

"Hi Honey, I'm home".

"DON'T TELL ME WHAT I DO AND DO NOT LOOK GOOD IN!"

[Laine]

Brilliant.

[Capwn]

The music that Jack's son plays is the same music that Faraday plays on his piano as a child.

[Pob]

I seem to remember Charlie insisting that Claire took the vaccination injections for no logical reason whatsoever.