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Mr Cochese

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That makes no sense to me whatsoever.

Lost was really badly written for a start, the dialogue was laughably poor. It was the mystery that made it interesting, and they sold us up the river on that one. I only really felt like the first season had any sensible character development (sensible in Lost terms, ie revealing Kate to be the criminal, Locke to have been a cripple etc)

I agree 100% with Mr Cochese, to the point where I'm starting to think he's an alt of mine, or vice versa. It would explain the blackouts...

I agree with you too, bro. And I totally don't mind about the bloody mess I wake up in after each blackout.

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Monkeyboy

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Ha, no one really cares. I love that the show is still being debated so passionately with love or anger. I'm just glad that when it came to the end, I didn't feel like I've wasted six years.

What is there to debate? That the writers had no real clue how to end the show on a satisfying note? That the mysteries, no matter how intriguing in the beginning, amounted to virtually nothing? I can understand that American TV is a tricky thing to write. They're writing as they film, with the threat of being axed looming over them. With an unsure future ahead of you, it must be tough trying to structure a story. You're basically writing an Act 1, followed by an endless Act 2. However, after the first three seasons, they had an end in sight. Something they could work towards.

They blew it. No excuses.

Good luck debating a whole bunch of nothing.

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Broker

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When I have previously been gripped by the need to know what the numbers meant, why they gave Hurley such bad luck, or in fact any of the things that I enjoyed so much when watching, I now know they were were just smoke and mirrors. They were meaningless.

The numbers are the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, a mathematical formula designed to predict the end of humanity. The numbers in actuality are said to represent human and environmental factors in the equation, though their precise meaning is uncertain. One purpose of the DHARMA Initiative was to change the factors leading to humanity's demise, which will be indicated by an alteration in at least one of the human/environmental factors that succeeds in changing one of the numbers. However, in all its years of research, the Initiative failed to reach its goal. Despite much research and manipulation of the equation's values, the end result was always the same.

The Hanso Foundation that started the Dharma Initiative hired Valenzetti to work on this equation to determine what was the probability of the world ending in the wake of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Valenzetti deduced that it was a certainty within the next 27 years, so the Hanso Foundation started the Dharma Initiative in an effort to try to change the variables in the equation so that mankind wouldn't wipe itself out.

in one foul swoop.

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dumpster

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It's nothing like The Prisoner!!!!!

The Prisoner ran for 17 episodes, and in the last episode,

he gets off the island, and returns to his home in London. As he arrives at the door, it opens automaticaly, with the same sound that the doors in The Village made when they opened. The butler is there. Society is the Village, and the oppression by the forces in control of society are represented as the masters in control of The Village. Does this mean that Number 6 is also Number 1? We don't know, and now Patrick McGoohan has taken the secret to his grave, we'll never know. However, the mustery at the end of the series does not detract from the exceptionally clever storylines that made up each episode. My personal favourite, The Schizoid Man, is so well written - it's one thing to use a lookalike, but to try to convince No6 that he is the lookalike himself is a wonderful twist. The Girl Who was death, reveals that the entire episode is nothing more than a childrens story being read by number 6 - awesome. Living In Harmony, where the entire episode is a drug fuelled halucination. Marvellous.

Lost, on the other hand had episodes that had storylines that easily were of the standard of The Prisoner, but where it differed was that the individual storyline of each episode was never resolved, they spilled over from one episode to the next, giving us an unfolding story that lasted for about 125 episodes. The writing of these storys appeared at the time to be as very deep, setting up really strong characters and putting them in well construted situations which kept us hooked weekly, enjoying trying to work out the puzzles. But they didn't answer any of it, proving that it was all made up. Series 6 was hyped and advertised as "You want answers? Lost Series 6 - Coming SOON!". But because series 6 turned out to be a load of bollocks, it also meant that the episodes that went before were exposed as pointless.

Anyone can come up with the ultimate crime thriller novel, if they don't have to reveal who did it and why at the end. Lost only appeared to be a great TV series because we assumed we were watching the setup and waiting for the payoff. I'm not saying it was rubbish at the time, but at the beginning of series one, if I'd told you that all these individual plot threads wouldn't go anywhere, would you have watched it? I wouldn't have.

So the issue I have is that, whilst some people are critical of the last series alone, to me it completely unerminded the credibility of the whole show.

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CactuarBill

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What is there to debate? That the writers had no real clue how to end the show on a satisfying note?

No clue, I think they knew how to end the show. I believe that they always had the ending planned. To end it on a satisfying note? They knew that couldn't be possible. It would never satisfy everyone.

That the mysteries, no matter how intriguing in the beginning, amounted to virtually nothing?

The mysteries were great to think over and discuss about but they didn't amount to nothing.

You're basically writing an Act 1, followed by an endless Act 2. However, after the first three seasons, they had an end in sight. Something they could work towards.

The endless act 2 was the first half of season 3 which the show dragged and was the only part of Lost that really started to piss me off. For me the best years of Lost was once season 3 ended and the seasons followed, you could tell that they were aiming towards something and the show was better for it.

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Monkeyboy

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I find it incredible that anyone could watch this show again, beginning to end, thinking to themselves, "I can't wait until all this business with Jacob and the magic cave! That was amazing!"

They should have ditched the opening titles and replaced it with "Jacob and the Magic Cave!" to the tune of "Jamie and the Magic Torch!"

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rubberducker

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I thought I was alone in feeling cheated by lost's writers. That's why I'm discussing it two months later, because I am still shocked they blew it so badly. I would never have guessed that before the finale.

A lot of the apologists seemed to think people are pissed because they wanted everything answered. This is the big misconception. People are pissed because they can see thru the smoke and mirrors heavy handed slow mo stuff, and see that actually the writers didn't have a clue about the basics of the story they were telling. They had no more idea of what was going on in THE END than we did. It was not a character show, or at least a not very good one. Most of the cast were one dimensional and comic book. It was about why these characters were here, what linked them and what the island actually was. The mysteries just made this mythology seem deeper and like we were in good hands.

I predict lost will be remembered very poorly in the future, all because the writers fucked it up so badly when it came to wrapping it up.

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CactuarBill

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Most of the cast were one dimensional and comic book.

That is complete bollocks and to think that compeletly destroys your argument. Some of the characters are some of the most developed and well thought out characters ever to grace television. To say most are one dimensional is absurd. The show was a character show as well as a mystery one. The whole first season was mostly spent discovering the pasts of the castaways. I think at least half of the shows runtime is spent off island, just about the characters and nothing to do with any of the mythology stuff.

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ckny

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Yes, but they were all caricatures or just completely boring.

An Iraqi soldier

A genius surgeon

A rock star

The spoiled rich girl

Jolly fat guy

Desmond, Linus and Locke are the only truly interesting characters or me.

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CactuarBill

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Yes, but they were all caricatures or just completely boring.

An Iraqi soldier

A genius surgeon

A rock star

The spoiled rich girl

Jolly fat guy

Desmond, Linus and Locke are the only truly interesting characters or me.

Those three were the best but I liked most of the characters. Some we could have done without but they were killed off so that's fine.

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Mr Cochese

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Also, Sawyer's character arc culiminated in him pissing off from the temple to go and live in a shed on his own. That was literally all that came off the loss of Juliet - a bit of a sulk, and then he's back leading everyone to their death at the hands of the panicking writers.

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That is complete bollocks and to think that compeletly destroys your argument. Some of the characters are some of the most developed and well thought out characters ever to grace television.

:wub: Stop it, you're killing me :(

Most of them are about as well developed and consistent as Sylar from Heroes was after the first season.

None of them were believable to begin with because they acted so strangely in the face of weirdness and danger. They never questioned what was happening around them and acted in the most bizarre ways to keep the plot trundling forward. I have this problem with a lot of plot-driven as opposed to character driven television though, as the stakes get raised and the writers run out of ideas, people begin to act in increasingly irrational and out of character ways to keep the plot moving.

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Pekoe

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I've been watching this again from Season 1 since it finished. I'm up to about halfway through Season 3 so far, and to be honest not that much has jarred. It's interesting seeing little seeds of stuff planted which are to be revealed later on. Hell I've even just watched the 'Tattoo' episode and it wasn't that bad this time around.

Butas you are watching it, it does show Season 6 up for the half-arsed effort it turned out to be. Out of all the stories, I still don't get how they got so bad as to how the Jacob and MIB set up episode was played out. Seriously this still sucks worse than the finale.

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bingowings

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the final two episodes were just recently on the tv here - first time i watched it since the end of season two. really wish i hadn't because as far as i could tell, nothing had happened from the point i stopped watching it to the beginning of the final two-parter.

oh, there was that thing with The Lawnmower Man being a pilot, and that annoying English cock from LotR being dead (i think - at least i never saw him cunting about the island with the other mongs) and maybe a couple more who had died - but the whole thing was so dreary i never even noticed.

it came across as a really bad (and long) episode of Relic Hunter mixed with some cheap, religious movie-of-the-week.

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Anyway, I only came in here to explain why some people can enjoy it despite the plot holes. Haters gonna hate and all that, and continue if it makes you happy, but take my advice and never watch the Prisoner. You'll go ballistic.

Or Twin Peaks. I'd be surprised if anyone who'd watched that all the way through really expected all the questions in Lost to get answered.

I'd quite happily watch Lost all the way through again. It's like looking at a painting where you don't quite know what it's supposed to be a picture of - you can still love the painting. I loved the ideas in Lost even if they didn't make it all tie up in the end. But then I've always been a "the journey is more important than the destination" sort of person.

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