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kamrantaz

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So anyway, I've just gotten through reading the Batman Begins script.

Holy piss, it's good. Well thought out action sequences, interesting plot twists, believable characters. It's the first time outside of the comic books I've seen the Bruce Wayne/Batman relationship so perfectly played out. Burton's Batman movie did Batman well, but only really touched on Wayne, and the two Schumacher movies turn Wayne into a ridiculous caricature.

I don't mind a movie taking licence with the characters and altering them for the movie. Comic books are not movies, and vice versa, so what works on the page does not necessarily work on the screen. But at the same time, you have to make the characters believable within the context that they're used. The Schumacher Wayne wasn't credible as a human being, let alone as Batman's alter-ego.

This one gets the conflict about right.

And it's dark. Dark to the point of nastiness. A lot of the scenes are clearly written to be shot as 'bang' shock moments and it's pretty violent across the board.

It's fair to say that the script as it stands does one of my favourite comic book characters justice, setting him up for a franchise and crafting a believable orgin for him to emerge from and world for him to exist in.

And spoiler:

Great final tease, too. Not so much the thing about the Joker, but more the idea of 'escalation'. The fact that Batman's presence will actually result in more costumed lunatics on the streets.

thats the best spoiler EVAR!!1

I dont know what to expect but im HYPED!

im off to kill a granny cos im so hyped*

*not really.

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I've not yet read the script, but my concern from your comments on it so far stem from the darkness. If it is as dark as I think you are saying, I fear it will be watered down. They will probably want a kiddie friendly rating.

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I've not yet read the script, but my concern from your comments on it so far stem from the darkness. If it is as dark as I think you are saying, I fear it will be watered down. They will probably want a kiddie friendly rating.

Worry not.

This is not a kiddie movie - this is Batman as it should be.

I have read the script (five times now) and everytime get more and more excited.

Fucking ace!!

And Spacey, thanks for the Batmobile pics. Brilliant.

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Stroker Ace

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I've not yet read the script, but my concern from your comments on it so far stem from the darkness. If it is as dark as I think you are saying, I fear it will be watered down. They will probably want a kiddie friendly rating.

Nah, they're going for a high rating. Nolan's directing it, and he's pretty much having his way. It'll be a '15' over here.

Then we'll likely get millions of fucking idiot parents complaining that they can't take their kids to see it, and the BBFC will buckle like bells and create a new '15A' certificate to appease the bastards, just like they did when people moaned about fucking Spiderman.

But anyway...

Expect a 15 over here and an NC-17 over in the States.

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Despin

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Hey there.

"Then we'll likely get millions of fucking idiot parents complaining that they can't take their kids to see it"

Yeah... Heaven forbid kids might actually wanna see a COMIC BOOK MOVIE.

It was basically kids that made BATMAN the icon it is by spending decades reading his comic books. And now there is a movie about him fuckin "adults" don't want them to see it.

At twelve years old I would have been going insane to see this movie.

I don't think my mum would be a "fucking idiot" for wanting to let me see it and then wondering why I cant.

This is a big problem these days. Geeks think that every movie has to be directly aimed at them.

12 year old kids are as much of a reason that a movie like this is even getting made as any 25 year old nerd.

Despin out.

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Hmm, yes Batman was created for kids and adults. However the violence portrayed in the comics when brought to the big screen make it incredibly violent and thus deserving of the higher rating.

I want a realistic Batman movie and this should serve to give us it.

No offence Despin but have you read any Batman comics? If you had you would realise the heavy violence that is in each and every one of them. A lot of blood and a lot broken bones etc - which is something that children can handle I suppose in a comic book but when it is translated becomes a lot more of a shock to the system.

Hence fans of Batman, and lets be honest there isn't that many children actually reading the comics anymore as it's much more of an adult thing to collect comics, want to see a semi-realistic and gritty version of the film.

We will be the ones forking out our cash to see this movie and I for one do not want to see it go down the 12a or PG route.

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Hmm, yes Batman was created for kids and adults. However the violence portrayed in the comics when brought to the big screen make it incredibly violent and thus deserving of the higher rating.

I want a realistic Batman movie and this should serve to give us it.

No offence Despin but have you read any Batman comics? If you had you would realise the heavy violence that is in each and every one of them. A lot of blood and a lot broken bones etc - which is something that children can handle I suppose in a comic book but when it is translated becomes a lot more of a shock to the system.

Hence fans of Batman, and lets be honest there isn't that many children actually reading the comics anymore as it's much more of an adult thing to collect comics, want to see a semi-realistic and gritty version of the film.

We will be the ones forking out our cash to see this movie and I for one do not want to see it go down the 12a or PG route.

Correct! Finally a movie like this that isn't watered down, although the first Batman movie had it right.

Forgive my ignorance but in the cast list I don't see anybody i recognise as a baddie? Who is the baddie?

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New pics of the Batmobile from all angles can be found here:

http://lfi.glbx.image-data.com/dynevent-ac...?eventid=65156#

Nice - I thought that there was a panel missing from the front, but it seems that the original photos were on the money.

It looks to me (using my considerable engineering skillz) that those front wheels can be lowered and shifted outwards to create a wider wheelbase and change the ride height for different terrains. Third row down, second one along shows some sort of concertina struts coming out of that central pylon, and also shows that the front wheels don't have an axle joining them.

Although in actuality it means that the car has been built rear-wheel drive, I'm sure the inference will be an independantly all-wheel driven all-terrain vehicle.

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Space Renegade Ulala

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[quote name='Vemsie' date='Jun 9 2004, 10:41 AM'] Ken Watanabe is the main villain (Ra's Al Ghul), while Cillian Murphy plays Jonathan Crane AKA The Scarecrow.

Gary Oldman recently described it as a 200 million dollar art movie. [/quote]
Don't forget Liam Neeson as Ducard - let's just say he has a fairly pivotal role in the film...
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Man, that Batmobile looks wierd, like it's half-finished or something.

There is no way on earth Warner Bros would make this movie NC-17 in the states, it's box-office poison. I can see it getting an R, but not NC-17.

I hope they don't make the movie too realistic, as I fear that it would go down the Unbreakable route and become a miserable bore-fest.

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Staplehead - When you read the script SPOILER SPOILER You find it's a one-off R&D Waynecorp project, which is why it looks not finished END OF SPOILER

Staple - Read the script you will be blown away.

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Stroker Ace

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12 year old kids are as much of a reason that a movie like this is even getting made as any 25 year old nerd.

And twelve year old kids are the reason why most movies are unwatchable in cinemas.

The last thing I want is to have to sit in an adult movie surrounded by children who will almost invariably act like little bastards. I've worked on and off for six fucking years in cinemas and I've gone through college and university - both arthouses and multiplexes and I have an idea of how the 12a has affected the business. Shortly after the introduction of the 12A, the number of walk-outs, refund requests and complaints that we got from 12 rated pictures pretty much doubled. That's pretty much the case in all multiplexes, these days.

Six year old children don't belong in 12 rated films, and 12 year old children don't belong in 15 rated ones.

I was ten when Batman: The Movie first came out. The UK's first '12'. My father took me to see it, but I was too young and was rejected. He lied about my age, but I was blatantly ten and the cinema staff knocked us back as they were perfectly within their rights to do. We saw something else instead. At no point did my father stand in the lobby and kick up a stink - pissing and moaning in the hope that the cinema would ignore UK law and let me in. Nor did he piss and moan to the BBFC and demand that the certificate be changed.

This is EXACTLY what happened with Spiderman, and EXACTLY why we have to suffer the fuckawful 12a cert.

So no, I wouldn't consider your mother to be a 'fucking idiot' for wanting to take you to see it, but I'd sure as hell think of her as a 'fucking idiot' if she behaved like the brattish parents that I had to deal with on a daily basis during Spiderman's run.

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And twelve year old kids are the reason why most movies are unwatchable in cinemas.

The last thing I want is to have to sit in an adult movie surrounded by children who will almost invariably act like little bastards. I've worked on and off for six fucking years in cinemas and I've gone through college and university - both arthouses and multiplexes and I have an idea of how the 12a has affected the business. Shortly after the introduction of the 12A, the number of walk-outs, refund requests and complaints that we got from 12 rated pictures pretty much doubled. That's pretty much the case in all multiplexes, these days.

Six year old children don't belong in 12 rated films, and 12 year old children don't belong in 15 rated ones.

I was ten when Batman: The Movie first came out. The UK's first '12'. My father took me to see it, but I was too young and was rejected. He lied about my age, but I was blatantly ten and the cinema staff knocked us back as they were perfectly within their rights to do. We saw something else instead. At no point did my father stand in the lobby and kick up a stink - pissing and moaning in the hope that the cinema would ignore UK law and let me in. Nor did he piss and moan to the BBFC and demand that the certificate be changed.

This is EXACTLY what happened with Spiderman, and EXACTLY why we have to suffer the fuckawful 12a cert.

So no, I wouldn't consider your mother to be a 'fucking idiot' for wanting to take you to see it, but I'd sure as hell think of her as a 'fucking idiot' if she behaved like the brattish parents that I had to deal with on a daily basis during Spiderman's run.

Hear Hear

Right on the mark there Stroker.

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I was ten when Batman: The Movie first came out. The UK's first '12'. My father took me to see it, but I was too young and was rejected. He lied about my age, but I was blatantly ten and the cinema staff knocked us back as they were perfectly within their rights to do. We saw something else instead.

The Last Crusade? That's what I saw when I first failed to get in to see Batman.

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Professor Puzzles

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Staplehead - When you read the script SPOILER SPOILER You find it's a one-off R&D Waynecorp project, which is why it looks not finished END OF SPOILER

Staple - Read the script you will be blown away.

I did download the script, but I soon deleted it. I can't see the point in reading the script as it'll only spoil my enjoyment of the film when it comes out.

There are so many good things going for this project that I'll be seriously pissed off if it goes bad. I do hope the film is somewhat stylised as I can't see a completely realistic batman working - however I'm glad they're ditching the camp shtick that deflated the last couple of films.

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