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I checked my local cinema this morning and there were five screenings, three of which had sold out.

Just checked back now and they've added a further five, all but three of which have sold out in about three hours. This is a generic multiplex in the mall. Big hollywood fare all the way normally, with a couple of showings of the odd offbeat film on the smaller screens.

This film is going to do extraordinarily well.

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Just seen it. Thoughts below in white in case anyone doesn't want to read about it before seeing it.

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Just got back from the theatre, and I really enjoyed it. This last year I've found myself disliking Moore as he's such an easy target for the right (not to mention the questions about the accuracy of his film making, his self publicity etc), but this has won me right back.

It's much more human than Columbine. Less gimmicky (in the door stepping people sense), but it doesn't need to be. The footage speaks for itself. Rather unexpectedly it was also very, very moving in places. Like, extraordinarily moving. It's certainly a much slicker, more cohesive documentary than his previous efforts. Loads of great stuff in there about Bush that some will already be aware of but many won't be. Plenty of footage of him off the record which only serves to further enhance his image as the village idiot that found himself in the Whitehouse. Also a good deal of gruesome war footage that absolutely merited the R rating the movie got.

It's going to be very hard to discredit this one, but you can be sure they'll have a good go.

Very, very good. Very impressed. And the theatre, as expected, was absolutely packed. People were lining up to buy tickets for the next showing as we went in. Every show in town has now sold out today.

Oh, and I have never seen a reaction like this movie got from an audience at the end. Massive, massive round of applause.

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while i'll definitely go see f911, i have started to have reservations about moore.

while he supports the the little peoples cause, and sticks up for the have nots, i read he charges $40,000 dollar to speak at colleges, yet seems to have donated very little money to thecauses he appears to champion.

not to mention when speaking in a small american town, the name i forget, but it's featured in the documentary - "the corporation" (which absolutely TERRIFIED me BTW) that had managed to force many chain stores out of their area in order to protect their livelyhoods, moore complained that the storekeepers were "hicks" and complained "couldn't they at least have a "jamba juice"-(an american juice franchise) there?

i'd love to be able to clarify this, as i dont belive everything i read (or see for that matter - i mean i'm sure 9/11 preaches to the choir) short of mailing moore personally, i guess i'll never know.

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You got a source for any of that? Rather sounds like random mud-slinging to me, esp the 'hicks' thing, considering where he's from. The charities thing sounds like typical drudge report fuzzy 'reporting', too.

I'm not bothered how much he charges to speak. If people are prepared to pay it to him, I've no problem with him taking their moolah.

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i actually tried to find the local news source link where i found the "hicks" thing, but am unable to find it now.. i belive the town is called arkata or arcata or something like that..

there's plenty of mudslinging on moorewatch.co, but that's so fucking biased its almost comedic..

the thing is though after watching his "awful truth" show and exposing the fat cats, if he speaks at 3 colleges a year, which i'm sure he does much more, he's kinda becoming quite a fat cat himself...

i just look for the 2 sides of every story, is all.. i despise bush, believe me, but after reading about a few of moore's hesitations over at

http://www.guerrillanews.com/

i was curious and desided to see what the dtractors had to say as opposed to taking ones man's word as gospel.

I'm very much looking forward to GNN's documentary "battleground", it will probably get shown absolutely nowhere, but it seems to cover a lot of angles - hopefully i'll get a copy from someone or at least a torrent..

http://guerrillanews.com/battle_ground/

i particularly like the quote from the black soldier near the end

"when americans say "liberation" - we mean capitalism, can you tell mothers and daughters and sisters, that your sons are dying for the american way of life? can you say theyre dying for capital goods, n' this n' that? no, you cannot - you think people will actually understand?"

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I have a couple of friends involved with GNN. Well, whatever the UK version is called.

their main setup in berkely is not too far away from me..

respect to those guys! i'm going spend sunday reading through it all...

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i just look for the 2 sides of every story, is all..

Which everybody should do. I don't take Moore's words for gospel and I have no idea how much he earns and what he does with that money. I do know he invests a lot of blood, sweat and tears in his assault on the Bush administration. For that I'm grateful.

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Rather sounds like random mud-slinging to me, esp the 'hicks' thing, considering where he's from.

:D Moore isn't working class, probably not even middle class all things told. His father managed to retire in his fifties due to his very generous salary, and Moore himself refuses to send his daughter to nothing but one of the most expensive Catholic schools money can buy. I'm quite impartial in regards to Moore, but I'm also quite sure he's not above calling a town a bunch of hicks.

Unless I've caught the wrong end of the stick as to what you're saying...

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The frustrating thing with Moore is that the guy's heart is in the right place, but his documentaries are SO biased and extreme that he leaves himself open to not only the criticism of the right-wing, but also left-wing people like me, who like seeing fair-minded documentaries.

He is not a good documentary maker. He is a very entertaining film-maker.

R.

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He is not a good documentary maker. He is a very entertaining film-maker.

Well, uh, duh.

"The reason why I believe I've had this very fortunate success... is because I actually put the entertainment and the art before the politics," insists Mr Moore.

"It's very hard for someone on the professional left to put anything ahead of the politics, and that's why they lose out.

"If you told me this movie, Fahrenheit 9/11, 'it's just an anti-Bush movie', I don't know if I would go see it. ... Why would I waste two hours in the theatre to learn that Bush is bad if I already feel that way?"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3838849.stm

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Not a Moore documentary (though he has a part in it) but apparently fantastic:

The Corporation

watched it the other night.. my god.. by the end of it, i felt like someone had pulled the rug of what i thought was the truth from under me.. you can yarr it from suprnova... it really genuinely upset and scared me.especially the interview with the wall street broker and what he and his buddies thought of 9/11.

see it as "no logo" the movie.. it could be a life changing experience if you actually give a shit about the world you live in.

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It's truly rocking the box office. An estimated 8,2 million dollars on Friday alone. Impressive, as it only plays in 868 theaters. As a comparison: the number two movie, White Chicks, plays in more than 2000 theaters.

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the thing is though after watching his "awful truth" show and exposing the fat cats, if he speaks at 3 colleges a year, which i'm sure he does much more, he's kinda becoming quite a fat cat himself...

i just look for the 2 sides of every story, is all..

Aye, I'd agree with you there. My attitude is that by stirring things up for the right he's performing a useful service. Of course he makes mistakes and stretches the truth, but he's in the business of popular entertainment after all.

I don't care how much money he has, either. I'd much rather than someone like him earns millions, given that he's more than happy to pay 50% tax, than some little tory boy who's going to bitch about welfare payments. And why the fuck shouldn't he rake it in, in fairness?

:( Moore isn't working class, probably not even middle class all things told.

As I said, I'd be interested to see a source for the quote.

The frustrating thing with Moore is that the guy's heart is in the right place, but his documentaries are SO biased and extreme that he leaves himself open to not only the criticism of the right-wing, but also left-wing people like me, who like seeing fair-minded documentaries.

Dozens and dozens of people have been doing the same thing on the right for years, so as far as I'm concerned it's about time we had one doing the same on the left.

He may be an arsehole, but he's our arsehole.

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It's truly rocking the box office. An estimated 8,2 million dollars on Friday alone. Impressive, as it only plays in 868 theaters. As a comparison: the number two movie, White Chicks, plays in more than 2000 theaters.

Does this mean it's on track to be the week's #1 movie?

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As I said, I'd be interested to see a source for the quote.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/screen/stor...1222425,00.html

In fact, he grew up in a middle-class suburb of Flint, in a two-car family. His father was an auto-plant worker who played golf, retired in his fifties, and was well-off enough to send his three children to college.

Like I said, I actually quite like Moore on the whole, but working class hero? No. Middle-to-upper class hero? Most probably.

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