The xbox is gona sink faster than the Mega CD

[Caleb Newcastle]

But JSRF is crap

No it's not. It's fantastic. Better than JSR.

[D-Side]

Heck now that you mention, it's that Strider I'll bow to his impartial wisdom. Outrun 2's obviously a dead cert just like Sega Rally 2 was on the DC

I thought the OR2 code that's bumbling around at the mo was quite impressive?

And I thought the Jap version of SR2 wasn't half as knackered as the PAL version?

[Mr Spew]

Jesus.

I just asked you not to count your chicken's before they hatched and you go off on one? Why so sensitive? And excuse me for not knowing the forum handle of a games magazine Editor. Heck now that you mention, it's that Strider I'll bow to his impartial wisdom. Outrun 2's obviously a dead cert just like Sega Rally 2 was on the DC

And for the record for the majority of my Xbox collection consists mainly of those Japanese Xbox titles, personal preference I'm afraid, and to be honest half of them are shite.

GUNVALKYRIE? Panzer Dragoon Orta? You're holding these up as great games?

Keep your anger in check and your brain in gear, mate.

And D-Side, I don't own a cube. I do own an xbox.

Over one game?

Please, point out to me where I made a point of not knowing who Strider was, was a bad thing or anything like that. I didn't. I told you who he was in that last post. In a non-attacking way.

Well if you've played OutRun2 in the arcade, you'll know it's very very good (yes, IMO!). Sega Rally 2 was okay, but nothing more. But an arcade perfect conversion, and a thumbs up (so far) from Strider can only be a good thing. Constantly being negative about games really peves me off.

Which ones are shite then? I'm genuinely interested. I'd say (IMO!) that most of them are at least good.

Yep, I'm saying they're great.

[Caleb Newcastle]

I thought the OR2 code that's bumbling around at the mo was quite impressive?

And I thought the Jap version of SR2 wasn't half as knackered as the PAL version?

[Lionel Hutz] Hearsay, conjecture... they're kinds of evidence aren't they. [/Lionel Hutz]

And no. Jap SR2 was just as rubbish. Eyeblindingly so.

[D-Side]

And D-Side, I don't own a cube. I do own an xbox.

That's not really my point.

On the one side, you're deriding Xbox for not playing host to many Jap games e.g. 2D fighters.

On the other, you're lamenting the lack of first party peripherals e.g. arcade sticks.

Can anyone see the link here?

[Mr Spew]

Yes I mean Japan exclusive. This is a selling point for me as if I need to get a console to play a game, I will buy it. I couldnt care less where in the world a game is released or where it comes from, I just tend to prefer Japanese games. I suspect im not alone!

I thought this thread was about evaluating how well the Xbox has done. In my mind, its been a huge dissapointment (emulation aside ).

I think we should just agree to disagree. You like it, I dont

But JSRF is crap

Sorry, but what? Because a game hasn't been released in the US or the UK, makes it better or something? That just shows that other console manufacturers and publishers treat their customers like shit. Nothing else.

If you don't care where a game comes from, you'd (IMO!) check a game out regardless. But obviously you have some weird freaky bias you should be getting checked out.

Disappointment for someone that seems obsessed with owning and playing Japanese games and nothing else, yes. For everyone else, no.

JSRF is brilliant. You're wrong. It's not an opinion.

[dam_aks]

JSRF does indeed rock my world also.

[D-Side]

[Lionel Hutz] Hearsay, conjecture... they're kinds of evidence aren't they. [/Lionel Hutz]

The journalist that I know who has played the Xbox code has been rather gloaty about it. He's hardly likely to gloat if it's shit. He's far more likely to say 'it's shit.'

Stop me if I'm getting too technical.

And no. Jap SR2 was just as rubbish. Eyeblindingly so

Anyone want to step in and confirm this?

[D-Side]

JSRF does indeed rock my world also.

That's because it's fucking wicked.

Now, do all you Dennisesesessses want to put the speech-slingshots and get along?

Xbox does not have many Jap games on its' books.

Western software has improved exponentially in the past few years. According to certain key individuals, Western development houses have outperformed their Eastern counterparts.

Obviously, the Western-centric Xbox has played a key part in this. Surely that's something to be celebrated?

[Caleb Newcastle]

Please, point out to me where I made a point of not knowing who Strider was, was a bad thing or anything like that.  I didn't.  I told you who he was in that last post.  In a non-attacking way.

Well, maybe i took it the wrong way but...

That's one fucking title you ignorant moron.

And maybe shite is a little harsh but GUNVALKYRIE has an carpal tunnel syndrome inducing control system, Panzer Dragoon Orta was disappointing, Crimson Sea was Dynasty Warriors (again) but with a draw distance, HotD 3 is throwaway at best and Dead or Alive 3 is the most pathetic excuse for a fighter I've ever played. CvsS2 and MvsC2 are crippled by the pads but as I own them on other formats already that isn't really an issue.

Ninja Gaiden isn't my cup of Tea. I'll leave it at that.

On the plus side DOAXBV is fun (if a little frustrating), JSRF is astounding, and Soul Calibur looks lush enough to fight against the pad over...

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Segas xbox output has been poor.

Remove the word "xbox" and your right..........

[dam_aks]

That's because it's fucking wicked.

Now, do all you Dennisesesessses want to put the speech-slingshots and get along?

Xbox does not have many Jap games on its' books.

Western software has improved exponentially in the past few years. According to certain key individuals, Western development houses have outperformed their Eastern counterparts.

Obviously, the Western-centric Xbox has played a key part in this. Surely that's something to be celebrated?

Lack of games from many of the worlds best developers = bad news

High increase in quality from the West = good news

Shame we can't have both really.

[kempstar]

Sorry, but what? Because a game hasn't been released in the US or the UK, makes it better or something? That just shows that other console manufacturers and publishers treat their customers like shit. Nothing else.

If you don't care where a game comes from, you'd (IMO!) check a game out regardless. But obviously you have some weird freaky bias you should be getting checked out.

Disappointment for someone that seems obsessed with owning and playing Japanese games and nothing else, yes. For everyone else, no.

JSRF is brilliant. You're wrong. It's not an opinion.

You seem to be reading in an awful lot into what I say and making a whole lot of assumptions!

We are evaluating how Xbox has done. If it had a whole bunch of exclusive good Japanese games, that would be a huge selling point, AND it would mean that it would have some good Japanese games! Then I would say that it had been a success in my eyes. It hasnt.

I have no 'freaky bias'. I own all three consoles, have done since launch, and own lots of games from all parts of the world. Thats why im fascinated that you think im obsessed with owning and playing Japanese games and nothing else (your words). Its simply a preference!

Stop making baseless assumptions and let me get back to the football. And one last thing, JSRF IS CRAP

[kempstar]

Remove the word "xbox" and your right..........

Yes, their entire output has been very, very poor the last couple of years. Makes me sad

[Caleb Newcastle]

That's not really my point.

On the one side, you're deriding Xbox for not playing host to many Jap games e.g. 2D fighters.

On the other, you're lamenting the lack of first party peripherals e.g. arcade sticks.

Can anyone see the link here?

Check my posts man. At any point have I actually said "I hate my xbox because it doesn't have enough japanese games"?

All I came in saying was "don't use future titles to judge a console now"...

And then got distracted in side arguments with you and Mr Spew.

[D-Side]

If it had a whole bunch of exclusive good Japanese games, that would be a huge selling point...

To who, exactly?

[Mr Spew]

You seem to be reading in an awful lot into what I say and making a whole lot of assumptions!

We are evaluating how Xbox has done. If it had a whole bunch of exclusive good Japanese games, that would be a huge selling point, AND it would mean that it would have some good Japanese games! Then I would say that it had been a success in my eyes. It hasnt.

I have no 'freaky bias'. I own all three consoles, have done since launch, and own lots of games from all parts of the world. Thats why im fascinated that you think im obsessed with owning and playing Japanese games and nothing else (your words). Its simply a preference!

Stop making baseless assumptions and let me get back to the football. And one last thing, JSRF IS CRAP

How so?

Again, answer me this question: why does a game that is Japanese exclusive, make it better than a Japanese game released outside of Japan as well as inside?

It wouldn't make it a selling point at all.

Anyway, it has been a success, in Europe and the US. Millions of consoles sold by a first-timer in the console market. How is that not a success?

Caleb Newcastle - I was saying that you picking up on one title (of over 10) because it hasn't been released in the home market yet, is pathetic. You ignore the rest and home in on that one, which I've heard from other people is great on the Xbox, and from my own experience is great in the arcade (and seeing as it's arcade-perfect - the conversion - it's got a good chance of being excellent).

[D-Side]

Check my posts man. At any point have I actually said "I hate my xbox because it doesn't have enough japanese games"?

All I came in saying was "don't use future titles to judge a console now"...

And then got distracted in side arguments with you and Mr Spew.

Whoops. My mistake. Still, it could have been worse. I could have gone with the standard answer and called you a 'fuckign moron' for no particular reason.

[kempstar]

Again, answer me this question: why does a game that is Japanese exclusive, make it better than a Japanese game released outside of Japan as well as inside?

Sigh.

Again reading things into my posts.

I said the xbox had 0 Japan exclusive games worth owning. If it had 10 Japan exclusive games worth owning, I would be a very happy man. I wasnt making a judgement, I was just stating something that is generally agreed as fact. I couldnt care less if the game gets released elsewhere or not. iYouve only highlighted this because you didnt read my post properly in the first place. But as it happens Xbox has barely a handful of Japanese games worth owning, exclusive or otherwise. I LIKE JAPANESE GAMES. SO IF THERE ARE NO EXCLUSIVES AND BARELY ANY DECENT JAPANESE GAMES, that = bad.

Seriously, you are getting very boring now.

[D-Side]

He's not the only one.

[Caleb Newcastle]

Caleb Newcastle - I was saying that you picking up on one title (of over 10) because it hasn't been released in the home market yet, is pathetic. You ignore the rest and home in on that one, which I've heard from other people is great on the Xbox, and from my own experience is great in the arcade (and seeing as it's arcade-perfect - the conversion - it's got a good chance of being excellent).

Stop making assumptions.

You've heard it's arcade perfect from people who haven't played completed code. There is a good chance it will be fantastic. There's also a good chance that it might end up as another arcade perfect Sega arcade racer with little to commend itself to extensive play.

Anyway that's not the issue. What I was trying to demonstrate is it's invalid in the context of the point you were trying to prove. If Kempstar says "There aren't enough Japanese games out" you can't respond with "what about these games that are coming out". It just doesn't work.

It's like when other forumites complain about the lack of RPGs on the Xbox only to be told "What about Fable and Sudeki."

I'm personally excited about Guilty Gear XXReload for the Xbox but until I've actually played it for myself I'm not going to run about telling fans of the first three that they should rush out and buy an xbox over it.

[Mr Spew]

I'm reading what's there. Nothing more.

Why does it matter if a game is exclusive to Japan? That's the only point you seem to be making, it's tired, and makes no sense.

[Mr Spew]

Stop making assumptions.

You've heard it's arcade perfect from people who haven't played completed code. There is a good chance it will be fantastic. There's also a good chance that it might end up as another arcade perfect Sega arcade racer with little to commend itself to extensive play.

Anyway that's not the issue. What I was trying to demonstrate is it's invalid in the context of the point you were trying to prove. If Kempstar says "There aren't enough Japanese games out" you can't respond with "what about these games that are coming out". It just doesn't work.

It's like when other forumites complain about the lack of RPGs on the Xbox only to be told "What about Fable and Sudeki."

I'm personally excited about Guilty Gear XXReload for the Xbox but until I've actually played it for myself I'm not going to run about telling fans of the first three that they should rush out and buy an xbox over it.

No, you're right, I can't say that.

But I didn't say it in the first place.

There was ONE title that wasn't out yet, and that was OutRun2, and from the code so far, it's great.

So lets leave it at: it could be great. It could also do a Crazy Taxi (or an 18 Wheeler), shall we?

And I'm not honking the horn of OutRun2, just saying that so far, it's good, and it's great in the arcade. Stop putting words into my mouth please.

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I said the xbox had 0 Japan exclusive games worth owning. If it had 10 Japan exclusive games worth owning,

This statement does make it look like you won't consider a machine if it doesn't have 10 great Japanese games that are only released in Japan and are not released in the west - this can't be true?

Why would that be the case?

Please tell me I'm wrong!

[213]

I don't understand the Japanese Vs Western development arguments that creep up in here from time to time,

Because there seems to be this highbrow attitude with certain fans of Japanese games, that anyone who enjoys anything by EA or a western developer is a total moron and that Japanese games have far more credibility.

I'll say this, for every Fifa there's a bloody Konami football game, Street Fighter has been milked to death, everything that people are looking forward to, by Nintendo right now is another sequel, the best software house this Xmas was undoubtedly Ubisoft by a F*cking mile and sony's sucess can be attributed in the West to Western games such as Tomb Raider, GTA and Wipeout...

Games are games, I like my Japanese games as much as anyone but frankly if it's shit then it's shit wherever it came from.

And the packaging on US games is far better than Japanese games now unless you specifically like the Japanese GC boxes so it can't even be that..

[kempstar]

This statement does make it look like you won't consider a machine if it doesn't have 10 great Japanese games that are only released in Japan and are not released in the west - this can't be true?

Why would that be the case?

Please tell me I'm wrong!

OK, your wrong.

If you selectively quote, then it probably would mean something else. Notice that the next thing I said was that I couldnt care less where a game had been released. Just to recap, your wrong.

[Caleb Newcastle]

I never made that point. I'll try and explain myself again.

In a retrospective of a console's life to date you can't use upcoming titles as a an indicator of current value which is what you tried to do with Outrun 2. When kempstar's criticised the xbox for not having enough japanese games, you gave Outrun 2 as an example of a good Japanese game on the xbox despite it not being out. I pointed this out. You got pissed off and said I was being overly negative.

You're reading things into what I say that I don't mean. Perhaps it's you who is tired and making no sense

[kempstar]

I'm reading what's there.  Nothing more.

Why does it matter if a game is exclusive to Japan?  That's the only point you seem to be making, it's tired, and makes no sense.

OK, heres what I wrote you muppet-

Personally, I tend to prefer Japanese games. As you know, there are still 0 Japan only games worth owning on the xbox, which is a disgrace considering how long its been out.

A lot of the games I like DONT tend to be released outside of Japan (shooters, fighters, 2d games in general). If the xbox had some decent japan only exclusives, they would be likely to be games that I like. That would make a difference to ME. Surely you are not as stupid as you are acting, and you can understand that?

Thats not the only point I am making. The other point is that Xbox has not been a success in my eyes, as there are only a few games released on it that I like. Whats so hard to understand about that?

What a fantastic goal by Baros by the way

[Mr Spew]

I never made that point. I'll try and explain myself again.

In a retrospective of a console's life to date you can't use upcoming titles as a an indicator of current value which is what you tried to do with Outrun 2. When kempstar's criticised the xbox for not having enough japanese games, you gave Outrun 2 as an example of a good Japanese game on the xbox despite it not being out. I pointed this out. You got pissed off and said I was being overly negative.

You're reading things into what I say that I don't mean. Perhaps it's you who is tired.and making no sense

Yes, but that's one title I listed of over 10 that are released.

OutRun2 was based upon the fact the arcade game is great, and people I know have played the home conversion, and said that it's coming along lovely and is a good game.

I was pissed because you were being negative about something that wasn't released yet (I guess I am guilty of promoting an unreleased game too...), and that attitude recently really annoys me. Meh.

Hah, I doubt that.

[Andsom]

Aw man! This thread's rubbish. Listen to yourselves. I nominate this the worst thread ever.