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Mr Spew

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OK, heres what I wrote you muppet-

Personally, I tend to prefer Japanese games. As you know, there are still 0 Japan only games worth owning on the xbox, which is a disgrace considering how long its been out.

A lot of the games I like DONT tend to be released outside of Japan (shooters, fighters, 2d games in general). If the xbox had some decent japan only exclusives, they would be likely to be games that I like. That would make a difference to ME. Surely you are not as stupid as you are acting, and you can understand that?

Thats not the only point I am making. The other point is that Xbox has not been a success in my eyes, as there are only a few games released on it that I like. Whats so hard to understand about that?

What a fantastic goal by Baros by the way :blink:

What I don't understand, is why a game has to be released in Japan only...

Again, that's a poor reason. In fact, that's a non-reason, a worthless reason.

So what if they aren't? This is now, and games are being released simultaneously worldwide as they should be, irrelevant of origin.

Japan isn't a holy mecca, which releases certain types of games and nothing else, and I've already listed some games from Japan (originally) that are good (in my eyes).

If you don't like them, go play on a PS2 or whatever, because lots of us are happy here on the Xbox.

So you bought a WESTERN console which promised WESTERN games, for a WESTERN audience. And because you don't like any of these WESTERN games, and because there aren't any good EASTERN games for you, it's not a success?

Well fuck Microsoft up the arse for not catering for you. They knew it would be hard to break Japan, and that they didn't expect any support until the next incarnation of the Xbox, if at all. So complaining about something that was going to be lacklustre in the first place, is pointless.

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MK-1601

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I'll remember not to post in a thread about my opinion and preferences next time in a discussion forum.

"What? You dare to criticise the Xbox or the revolutionary Xbox Live??! You are teh fuckign moron!"

There, saved you the trouble.

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D-Side

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What? Is Spew your protégé or something?

Don't flatter yourself.

I am sceptical that any of the games in its library will hold up as timeless classics, apart from Halo.

That's a little extreme, don't you think?

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Andsom

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Isn't it amazing that EVERY discussion becomes an argument by page 2?

It wouldn't even be so bad if it was a decent argument but this is both boring and pointless. All this going round in circles over a topic that was done to death in exactly the same way three years ago.

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It wouldn't even be so bad if it was a decent argument but this is both boring and pointless. All this going round in circles over a topic that was done to death in exactly the same way three years ago.

Indeed.

But JSRF is fucking wicked.

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Sabreman

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It's a great machine but I'm erring on the side of ditching it for good. it simply doesn't host the type of games I enjoy the most. Yes, it's worth owning one for Halo, and if it weren't for my well-documented grief with motion sickness there'd be few more enthusiastic people out there than me for Halo 2. As it stands there are no games that I'm interested in for it that I can't get on another system, and I'm fed up of all these bloody boxes and wires.

Nothing against Microsoft, Gates, or the machine itself, but to a fan of arcadey stuff it just doesn't deliver the gaming I want.

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What I don't understand, is why a game has to be released in Japan only...

Again, that's a poor reason. In fact, that's a non-reason, a worthless reason.

So what if they aren't? This is now, and games are being released simultaneously worldwide as they should be, irrelevant of origin.

Japan isn't a holy mecca, which releases certain types of games and nothing else, and I've already listed some games from Japan (originally) that are good (in my eyes).

If you don't like them, go play on a PS2 or whatever, because lots of us are happy here on the Xbox.

So you bought a WESTERN console which promised WESTERN games, for a WESTERN audience. And because you don't like any of these WESTERN games, and because there aren't any good EASTERN games for you, it's not a success?

Well fuck Microsoft up the arse for not catering for you. They knew it would be hard to break Japan, and that they didn't expect any support until the next incarnation of the Xbox, if at all. So complaining about something that was going to be lacklustre in the first place, is pointless.

Thats NOT what I said, and you certainly know thats not what I meant, as ive said it several times. Did you act like a twat in the rest of your 2000+ posts?

You know exactly what I mean and I dont need to state it again.

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Thats NOT what I said, and you certainly know thats not what I meant, as ive said it several times. Did you act like a twat in the rest of your 2000+ posts?

You know exactly what I mean and I dont need to state it again.

To be fair I interpreted it the same way as Mr_Spew did...

You basically said that you are only interested in a console if it has a number of games ONLY released in Japan. What the hell is that about then?

Does it suddenly become less Japanese if it is available in Europe too?

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Brats

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As you know, there are still 0 Japan only games worth owning on the xbox, which is a disgrace considering how long its been out.

Well, it's not when you consider that there are about six XBoxes in the whole of Japan. Which publisher in their right mind would release a Japan only title for such a DOA system?

Because of this, I'm fairly sure that we have seen more Japanese titles on the XBox released in the West than might have been otherwise. Consider titles like Murakumo and Otogi, imo if these had been released on the GC or PS2, we wouldn't have seen them in the West (Look at Armored Core, a far more popular franchise that has not seen the last two releases appear in the West).

I doubt we would have seen Tekki had it been released on the PS2. Also Metal Slug 3, snubbed by Sony of America, but it gets an instant XBox release in the US.

Out of interest, I can only think of a couple of Japanese only titles for the GC that are worth having: Drill Land and Shikigami No Shiro 2. I think only the PS2 has a large number of decent Japanese only exclusives, which is right when you think it is the market leader.

What has surprised me is that we are still seeing a reasonable number of Japanese titles being produced for the XBox, something that many predicted wouldn't happen. Other predictions that failed to materialise were that without a steady flow of Japanese titles, the XBox would be DOA in all territories.

I always thought the XBox would do reasonably well in the US and Europe, but I wasn't expecting it to be anything like a decent console. Truth be told, I've played more on my XBox the last couple of years than my PS2, GC and GBA combined. Now that is surprising.

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I've got to admit I had my reservations (and fears of an MS dominated tech industry :o )... especially since it's launch price was so hi... however halo soon changed my mind as did quite a few of the launch games then came the price sut and I new that the xbox was here to stay. In all fairness to myself though I never thought it wouls sink like the MCD it had microsofts money behind it I always new that it would provail

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rgraves

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Lastly, Live has been an unparalleled success

I saw a really funny quote on this the other day - it was from one of the suits at either Sony or Nintendo (can't remember which) and they basically said that 'if we'd launched such a pivotal service as this and only come up with 1 million worldwide, we'd have called it a total failure'.

You might love it, but that guy (whoever he was) had a valid point.

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Which was?

Are you deliberatly trying to be akward or did you just not read my post?

For all the investment (both technical and marketing wise) MS have made with Live!, they have only come up with 1 million subscribers globally. It is a very small number when you think that many, many games will sell that number globally - and cost a hell of a lot less to promote and maintain than Live! does.

His point, in case you are still missing it somehow, was that while MS are obviously happy to just keep dropping money on it, Live! as a commercial venture would have been branded a failure internally by his own company. His point was that Live! as a selling point for the XBox did not work. His point was that they wasted cash on a feature which they could have done without and still achieved roughly the same level of success. XBox minus 1 million users, assuming that they all bought the console 100% because of Live! which is highly unlikely, would still be in a comparable market position.

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Mr Spew

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Are you deliberatly trying to be akward or did you just not read my post?

For all the investment (both technical and marketing wise) MS have made with Live!, they have only come up with 1 million subscribers globally. It is a very small number when you think that many, many games will sell that number globally - and cost a hell of a lot less to promote and maintain than Live! does.

His point, in case you are still missing it somehow, was that while MS are obviously happy to just keep dropping money on it, Live! as a commercial venture would have been branded a failure internally by his own company. His point was that Live! as a selling point for the XBox did not work. His point was that they wasted cash on a feature which they could have done without and still achieved roughly the same level of success.

Only one million? Yes, I think ONLY one million customers paying at least £30 for a year's subscription, on a broadband-only service, is a failure...

Think about how many games have been sold just because they have Live features, and how many people will be getting Live just because of Halo 2 in the holiday season, see my point now?

It was never intended to be a big commercial venture, it's the same with the Xbox, it's testing water for the next console, but the fact is, the service is there, it's great, and has a million customers already.

How many does the PS2 have, out of interest? And the GameCube? Hah.

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rgraves

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Only one million? Yes, I think ONLY one million customers paying at least £30 for a year's subscription, on a broadband-only service, is a failure...

Think about how many games have been sold just because they have Live features, and how many people will be getting Live just because of Halo 2 in the holiday season, see my point now?

It was never intended to be a big commercial venture, it's the same with the Xbox, it's testing water for the next console, but the fact is, the service is there, it's great, and has a million customers already.

How many does the PS2 have, out of interest? And the GameCube? Hah.

You have totally missed the point haven't you.

I'll leave it there though - no point going on really.

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The Xbox is nothing less than a success. Fact.

It's a stunning machine, and XBox live is an incredible service.

All this mental fanboy carry-on just detracts from the main point of the whole thread- it was a machine rubbished at conception, and now it's thriving.

Brave would be the man who starts a topic about how fucking crap the Gamecube's been. There's a machine that's been home to plenty of the 'Japanese games!' and most of them have been dire.

Personally, I'm excited by the fact that Western developers are starting to get their finger out. God knows someone has to pick up the slack from the Japanese developers.

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The Liberal Elite

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The Xbox is nothing less than a success. Fact.

It's a stunning machine, and XBox live is an incredible service.

All this mental fanboy carry-on just detracts from the main point of the whole thread- it was a machine rubbished at conception, and now it's thriving.

Brave would be the man who starts a topic about how fucking crap the Gamecube's been. There's a machine that's been home to plenty of the 'Japanese games!' and most of them have been dire.

Personally, I'm excited by the fact that Western developers are starting to get their finger out. God knows someone has to pick up the slack from the Japanese developers.

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R.

I entirely agree! Hooray!

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Are you deliberatly trying to be akward or did you just not read my post?

I'm not deliberately trying to be awkward. I read your post quite carefully, and this was my immediate reaction:

'So, a representative from a competitor is rubbishing Live? Well hot dog. MS should just pack up their bags and leave town tonight.'

Question: Should we agree with the principle that if it doesn't make a profit, consumers don't deserve it?

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There's a machine that's been home to plenty of the 'Japanese games!' and most of them have been dire.

Cooor, I'm getting a throbbing 'reccy just thinking about Animal Leader.

Do you hear that? You Nintendo besotted fucks! Animal Leader!

Stick that in your broadband adaptor and smoke it.

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