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Gloomy Andy

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I didn't know that there was a translation of Shining Force 3 parts 2 & 3 available. Great series, the SF games. I wonder if they are ever planning on any more..

When I said translations I mean print offs of the home brew ones ... pages and pages of scripts, nothing official anywhere.

As for new SF games theres the recent GBA remake of SF1 which is ok (I think I prefer the MD version).

Also Shining Tears has been announced on PS2 as well as an new Shining Force game.

I wont wax lyrical about it too much but the Shining Series really is my favourite RPG series, with its own distint game styles, the Force series which are tactics games (all be it very user friendly and enjoyable), In the Darkness which is a nice Zelda esq action rpg and then theres titles like Soul, again action rpgs with an emphasis on multiplayer and Holy Ark, a more traditional rpg played from a first person perspective.

Oh and the favourite tactics game question:

Mine is Shining Force 3

3 seperate games

3 main characters

Actions taken in one game affecting which characters etc are available later

Like AW it isnt bogged down in stats

But it has nice little town bits to go and explore too

My favourite tactics game and possibly my favourite game in general

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ianinthefuture

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Oh yeah, the x-com/UFO games came out on PS1 didn't they? I bought three seperate copies of UFO over a period of a couple of years (Amiga, PC and again for PC when I lost the first one), it's one of the most engrossing games I've ever played. Building bases, researching technology and all that, sneaking up commando style on crashed UFO's. Awesome stuff.

Hehe - I had UFO on the PSOne, then Amiga, then PC from around 1995 onwards - I finished it for the first time January last year. Bar Champ Manager, it's the game I've played most ever. Come to think of it, I couldn't find my copy of it anywhere so I yarred a version a couple of weeks ago. I fackin laaarve it!

Other than that it's been Vandal Hearts (avoid number 2, as it is - as the French say - a bag of wank), FFT/FFTA, Ring of Red and more recently Disgaea and La Pucelle Tactics. One of my favourite genres, but one that I seem to have missed shitloads in.

Oh yeah, and Future Tactics is eating up a lot of my time.

Are there any set in a sci-fiey universe? Turn based strategy jobbies, like the above mentioned. I mean, UFO/TFTD do get boring, Apocalypse is shite and my comp can't handle UFO The Aftermath.

(Plus I can't be bothered to look :D )

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Gloomy Andy

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I couldn't stick with Shining Force III - it just didn't seem different enough from other tactics games I've played through.

I prefer Vandal Hearts :D - the graphics are sharper too.

Sure it doesnt do anything too different but what it does do is great.

I especially liked the friendship system in SF3. I thought that added a lot of depth to the battles. Forging and maintaining friendships and their levels was great and when you reached the highest friendship level with the little hearts ([colour=white]which added range to the affect[/colour]) character placement to gain the best bonuses really started to play a huge part.

Plus the whole RPGness of the shining force games is great, they user friendly tactics games which have the all so important running around towns and talking to people sections.

And I really cant wax lyrical enough about the whole 3 interlinking parts thing with SF3. Its such a crying shame that the 2nd and 3rd episodes didnt get a PAL or even US release. Naming the 3 playable characters at the beginning of the first episode made me go a little 'huh' when i first played the PAL episode 1, but when you get to play 2 and 3 and you see encounters from the other perspective its really great.

So to is the whole actions depending events in future chapters. The fight at the beginning of episode 1 on the docks, determines some of the characters available to you in the second episode. Its all done brilliantly.

There I've done it. I've gone on and on about how good it is.

Biglime - i hope you will be playing the other chapters as well as the first. And let me know how you get on with the refugee battle cos thats a bastard!

If there was one game i'd love to see eventually get a pal release on these 'bonus' discs we've all been seeing, its all 3 episodes fully translated!

Oh yeah and its by Camelot, the same guys that did Golden Sun (another set of great inter-related rpgs)

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Fry Crayola

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Why is the trend that most games have to feature fantasy elements (i.e. the basic staples of magic and suchlike)

I want to see some games such as X-Com appear on the GBA, really. I don't take much pleasure in casting Ice-5 on someone, but blasting him with a heavily researched alien weapon is my cup of tea.

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Gloomy Andy

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How do you deal with the other chapters if they're untranslated though?

Hm.

R.

You just need to find a translation and print it off.

Then sit there with the massive book by your side and read the cut scenes.

Its not the best way to enjoy it but its the only way

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Gloomy Andy

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Why is the trend that most games have to feature fantasy elements (i.e. the basic staples of magic and suchlike)

I want to see some games such as X-Com appear on the GBA, really. I don't take much pleasure in casting Ice-5 on someone, but blasting him with a heavily researched alien weapon is my cup of tea.

It this reason why i think im enjoyinf Front Mission 4 so much.

Despite having FM3 and Ring Of Red in the house its the first mech based tactics game ive played and its a nice change to blow the crap out of a tank with your mechs HUGE shotgun.

Very enojayble

And I actually quite enjoyed appocalypse! Though it wasnt a patch on xcom.

On a tangent tactics idea the civ games are always very tactical and nice and turned based. A friend of mine has been playing one of the newer ones muliplayer and he says that its great. Something id love to try but will probably never get the chance.

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You just need to find a translation and print it off.

Then sit there with the massive book by your side and read the cut scenes.

Its not the best way to enjoy it but its the only way

But I'm playing the PAL version of the first one, so its safe to assume the saves won't be compatible...

Right?

R.

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Gloomy Andy

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But I'm playing the PAL version of the first one, so its safe to assume the saves won't be compatible...

Right?

R.

As far as i remember my save worked fine ... although i did lend my saturn to my mate and he may have finished the the jap esipode 1 ...

The other parts were a little on the pricey side last time i checked ... so its probably not worth the gamble ...

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As far as i remember my save worked fine ... although i did lend my saturn to my mate and he may have finished the the jap esipode 1 ...

The other parts were a little on the pricey side last time i checked ... so its probably not worth the gamble ...

Thanks for your help, sir. You're a gent.

R.

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I'm playing Shining Force III right now, as it happens.

It's fucking magic.

R.

But the story is shit, you hypocrite!

;)

Edit - yes, the saves are completely cross-compatible. The prices for parts 2 and 3 weren't TOO bad when I got them, it's the bonus disk that you could only get by sending off the special tokens from all three parts that's the real bastard!

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Vandal Hearts 2 - the fucked it up somehow and it just isn't a patch on the first. Lots of little things just make it a much poorer game.

Agreed. Screwed up a good formula.

Nothing beats the burst of blood on the first. ;)

I'm still waiting for a number 3 to redress the balance!

Yes please, a handheld version. :(

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Andy_Tanner

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reading Gloomy Andy's enthusiatic posts about Shining Force III has got me thinking about unpacking the old Saturn (like i need an excuse anyway with the likes of Zwei, Nights, Burning Rangers beckoning me).

on a related note does anyone have an opinion of this :-

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Popo

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Shining Force on the GBA is aces, classic SRPG action. The first few missions are very easy too, easing you in nicely. Looks BAD by modern standards however, being as it is a port of the original Megadrive game.

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right i need to get one of these titles for the GBA, the temptation is too much. it's a choice between Shining Force, Fire Emblem or Onimusha Tactics. or maybe Tactics Ogre. or any others?

Get Fire Emblem. Then Shining Force, then Tactics Ogre. If you see Onimusha Tactics for less than, ooh, a fiver, it might be worth it.

Assuming you'd already bought and completed every other tactical RPG on the GBA, of course.

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right i need to get one of these titles for the GBA, the temptation is too much. it's a choice between Shining Force, Fire Emblem or Onimusha Tactics. or maybe Tactics Ogre. or any others?

I'd say if you can find Tactics Ogre, go for that. It was released in very limited numbers, making it increasingly hard to find (although you'll probably be able to pick up quite a few fakes with a little bad luck).

Fire Emblem sounds ace, and is by Intelligent Systems, so it should be a must buy, but simply put you'll be able to pick that up six months from now just as easily.

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Nothing beats the burst of blood on the first. ;)

Seriously- whythefuck they take that out? Turned it into a tiny little piddle of nothing. There's no satisfaction in killing someone if they're not going to bleed as if their name is Niagra McFalls!

And I think I was trying to say the same as Fry Crayola in regards to:

Why is the trend that most games have to feature fantasy elements (i.e. the basic staples of magic and suchlike)

I want to see some games such as X-Com appear on the GBA, really. I don't take much pleasure in casting Ice-5 on someone, but blasting him with a heavily researched alien weapon is my cup of tea.

Magic is all well and good, but shitting on someone from a great height with a Plasma Cannon will always be my personal preference. MORE!

GBA version... :( That would rock the partaaaaay..

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Get X-Com on the go on the PC, and go and subscribe to Laser Squad Nemesis - just about one of the best online games around.

In fact, play all the Gollop stuff - get the Speccy emulator on the go and play Rebelstar, Chaos and Laser Squad, plus their respective sequels.

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