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When all is said and done, I think the faceless marketing people who push stuff like Driv3r and far more worthy of such bile. But they are faceless, aren't they.

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Who cares if Fable isn't what it was suppsoed to be umpteen years ago?

Things were obviously left out for certain reasons, so stop being so sad and insulting PM, and either shut up going on about it, or enjoying Fable for what it is.

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biglime

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biglime - you need to get laid.

This from the guy who had to grovel to me in a PM so he'd get allowed back onto the forum?

Haw haw haw.

R.

P.S. Molyneux is a bullshitter, plain and simple. He's a snake oil cunt. The industry needs less of him, not more of him.

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I'd also disagree about him being good for the industry.

The videogame industry is one that brings in more money than movies, and is even less respected than the music industry.

The last thing this industry needs is a PR genius who makes mediocre games sell well.

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This from the guy who had to grovel to me in a PM so he'd get allowed back onto the forum?

Haw haw haw.

R.

P.S. Molyneux is a bullshitter, plain and simple. He's a snake oil cunt. The industry needs less of him, not more of him.

Have a word BL, you sound like a fucking schoolboy.

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.::: Because his passion creates hype. I don't mind him being passionate about it. All the better. I hate the fact that it creates assumptions now matter how you try to evade it and then discovering how those assumptions don't fit the game, in a bad way.

I've tried steering clear of Fable-hype because of the B&W incident, but it in the end I find myself playing Fable and AGAIN noting how much hasn't made it into the game. And that with actively trying to avoid all the shit about it.

Having a passion is one thing, but I think it's better for everybody if he would just keep quiet about it.

I think is the best point in this thread, and I agree totally.

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biglime

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Have a word BL, you sound like a fucking schoolboy.

Oh, cheer up, you goon.

I'm responding to a guy who contributed with 'biglime needs to get laid', a guy who, and this is FACT, had to go on his knees to me in PMs so he'd be allowed to post again.

I wasn't responding to you, you boring old cunt.

R.

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The Bag

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You've hardly come up with a better counterargument have you?

All you've said is that he's wrong.  So come on then, prove it, or shut the hell up.

How can I provide a counter-argument to his opinion - I disagree with his opinion about Molyneux being a dick. All I can really say is in my experience he's not (I work at Lionhead btw). I agree with Kiigan's views as I've already said in this thread. I'd rather have more people willing to tell people what they're doing/trying to do rather than a wall of corporate silence.

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;)

It's a good point you make, but do you think income at the expense of reputation/credibility is 'good for the industry'?

Going off at a tangent here, I was looking at ign on the old previews/press releases for B&W...where I noticed the review score they gave it - 9.7.

Fucking hell. It's a streamlined, broken Populous.

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NO IT DOESN'T.

To be honest I've got no figures or anything to back that up, but I've heard it lots of times on telly, in magazines etc.

It could be a case whereby if you're told something enough times you end up believing it - quite appropriate in a thread about Peter Molyneux.

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tiedtiger

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To be honest I've got no figures or anything to back that up, but I've heard it lots of times on telly, in magazines etc.

Yeah, I know, but it's a big fat lie spread by ELSPA to make it all sound more important, when in fact the games industry is still one of the smallest media on the planet in terms of overall market.

Here's how they work it out:

They add together the sales of console hardware, software, peripherals, pc games, everything and anything that sells in GAME, basically.

And then they compare that to?

The amount of money that films take at their box office.

It's a bullshit comparison, basically, because films make the vast majority of their money in dvd and ancilliary sales (sky etc), and the figures don't include the sales of film-playing hardware like dvd players (which by itself would probably own the whole games industry twice over).

In real terms, the games market is much smaller than the film market. The only major medium that it is large than is the comics market.

As an added example, the press releases for Fable's launch last week listed that it had done near 400,000 copies in its first week (which is very good), and specifically made mention of the fact that that amounted to more money taken that week than the US box office number 1, Sky Captain.

This sounds very impressive, but for a couple of niggling facts:

1. The figure for Fable's sales more than likely includes all the pre-prders, and

2. Sky Captain was in its 3rd or 4th week of release, and had already taken a lot more money than its 3rd week sales figures would reflect.

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1. The figure for Fable's sales more than likely includes all the pre-prders, and

2. Sky Captain was in its 3rd or 4th week of release, and had already taken a lot more money than its 3rd week sales figures would reflect.

Just to set the record straight, the week that produced those figures was Sky Captain's first week on release in the States. However it was a slightly misleading comparison, because Sky Captain, despite getting to number 1, only earned about $18 million - a very low opening weekend for a No 1 movie.

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Just to set the record straight, the week that produced those figures was Sky Captain's first week on release in the States. However it was a slightly misleading comparison, because Sky Captain, despite getting to number 1, only earned about $18 million - a very low opening weekend for a No 1 movie.

Aw crap.

I was sure it had come out earlier.

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JedEvangelion

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Then again, there's the school of thought that, with Molyneux promising the world, Lionhead's companies actually have to put a lot more of this off-the-wall stuff in their games that would probably have been otherwise pruned during the normal development cycle.

I'd like to bet the phrase 'we can't take another feature out, we've already lost 6 major features that we promised' has been uttered at Lionhead's studios on more than one occassion.

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I waded through the whole topic and boy what a pathetic read that was. Some people seriously need to get some perspective here. Peter Molyneux clearly is a very passionate person when it comes to videogames and he has a clear vision of what he wants to achieve. I've never shared his ideas of what games are supposed to be, I don't care about individual grains of sand on a beach and trees that grow while you play, I care about gameplay not realism. That's why I won't play Fable, that's why I didn't play Black&White. The last PM game I really liked was Populous 2. Despite all this I can't see a reason why anyone would insult him the way some of you did. He's not a bad guy, he's not in it for the money, he's in it because he has a vision. If you want to vent some anger, direct it to Atari or some other cynical moneyman.

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