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This will not end well... Well, it will, bearing in mind a sun will explode or something and it will all go back to what it was. But whoever had the bright idea of Jim Lee doing all the costumes needs to go to psychological counselling. Except the person with the bright idea was probably Jim Lee himself.

Or maybe the public reaction to the new Wonder Woman costume was seen as being a good thing...?

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Yeah, I'm sure there will some good stories but this seems like the perfect jumping-off point and this is really last chance for the (outdated) monthly model as we have known it for the past 70 years+

If digital doesn't take off then that's it

Think I may just reread my digtal collection of Batman from it's original #1. Probably take a good few years.

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Jim Lee?! Oh well. At least it isn't Rob Liefeld.

Tbh having seen the promo image that's there with the news story it's not a million miles away from Liefeld's stuff. The redesign of the Wonder Woman redesign is laughable.

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It seems like they are tailoring the whole DC line to cater to a new audience, wishful thinking IMO.

I think that a new audience is better served by more books like Superman Earth One etc being available in bookstores, just do more Earth One books or some more good All Star books.

I also don't think that the same day digital releases/new #1's etc will be a draw for people who aren't reading comics at the moment.

I appreciate the focus on digital and getting new readers, just don't think using the whole line of books to do it is the right way to go.

I am very interested to read those first issues though so the plan has worked on me!

Didio/Johns/Lee are being bold but it might be a step too far for alot of fans. Be interesting to see how Flashpoint ends and how 'reversable' this whole thing could be.

Wonder what Paul Levitz makes of this?! First offers to Alan Moore for Watchmen sequels, then the Vertigo divide being smashed and now a reboot of the entire line...

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Normally I'd be facepalming DC at this point but I find myself getting strangely excited. There's no way they're going to pull it off mind you. But I suspect a well executed shakeup like this could really get me interested again. My comic reading is just going through the motions at the moment.

They'd better not fuck with LSH though. Leave the poor sods alone for a few years.

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I've been thinking about this all morning. I forsee problems.

DC have two major ways of doing this change. The first is one they've used before. Keep the current continuity, roll back a load of characters ages and origins and carry on. The idea is that most things we've read happened (Although in a more compressed time frame)and some didn't happen at all. To be frank this is the worst of all worlds option and DC have proved time and time again that it's the shitty way to do things.

The brave thing to do is a total reboot. Start everything from square one (Ala the Ultimate Universe) and put everyone back on the same page. I would fucking love this option but it also brings in an interesting set of problems. From what I've read the idea is to roll back the ages of the core characters. I think 25 was a rough number being thrown around. Ok. Let's do that to Batman and see what happens. Batman himself works perfectly fine at age 25. What about the supporting cast. He's had 4 Robins. One became Nightwing and is now a second Batman. The next died and is now a villain. Tim is now Red Robin and Damien is currently Robin for the second Batman. If a 25 year old Batman has gone through 4 Robins then child services need to be involved. Throw in the various Batgirls, other assorted cast and Batman Inc into the mix and it would be a brave DC that chucked all that out the window.

The Flash. Barry Allen. New and rebooted age 25? What about Wally? He started as Kid Flash and became pretty much the most popular Flash ever after Barry dies during the crisis. What happens to him, his wife and his kids. Is he 16 again? If he is what about the current Kid Flash (Formally Impulse) currently hanging around with Superboy. There's suddenly no room to cram everything into the timeline.

Don't get me started on the problems this would cause the Green Lanterns. Fuck. What about the JSA? The only reason they still have some original members is due to massive amounts of in coninutity event.

So DC can either go with the half assed version (Which I suspect they will) and just make a bigger mess or the full reboot and probably have to deal with a lot of pissed off readers annoyed their fave character no longer exists.

Ultimately I think I'd prefer the total reboot. I find that what I like most about comics is moving forward. Things changing. The problem is the current DC management appear to be idiots and I have no real confidence they'll be able to pull this off

*Edit* Grant Morrison writing a monthly Superman title :wub:

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Interesting quote

"We looked at what was going on in the marketplace and felt we really want to inject new life in our characters and line," Co-Publisher Dan DiDio told the newspaper. "This was a chance to start, not at the beginning, but at a point where our characters are younger and the stories are being told for today's audience."

So not a fresh start from scratch but possibly a brand new continuity already in progress but where the stuff that happened before is only important to set up new plots. "Hey Batman. Does this remind you of the time Joker set a whale on fire?" "Sure does Robin. To the modern and more relevant Batmobile!" A bit like Ultimate but one where everyone already has a shared history (That we learn as we go).

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The brave thing to do is a total reboot. Start everything from square one (Ala the Ultimate Universe) and put everyone back on the same page. I would fucking love this option but it also brings in an interesting set of problems. From what I've read the idea is to roll back the ages of the core characters. I think 25 was a rough number being thrown around. Ok. Let's do that to Batman and see what happens. Batman himself works perfectly fine at age 25. What about the supporting cast. He's had 4 Robins. One became Nightwing and is now a second Batman. The next died and is now a villain. Tim is now Red Robin and Damien is currently Robin for the second Batman. If a 25 year old Batman has gone through 4 Robins then child services need to be involved. Throw in the various Batgirls, other assorted cast and Batman Inc into the mix and it would be a brave DC that chucked all that out the window.

But if its a reboot, none of that ever happened. Who's to say he's ever had any Robins at all? You're right though, the bold thing to do is complete reboot, it's really the only way to do this and not look half-arsed

There are a lot of strange comic book types that get upset if their old comic books don't 'matter' anymore, which I find baffling and this could potentially put a lot of existing customers off.

Personally, I've been looking for a reason to quite the monthly habit (again) as I just prefer reading this stuff in book form nowadays, however with the digital strategy, I can definitely see myself d/ling some of the more interesting titles for a sneaky tryout.

Least interesting bit of this for me is the Jim Lee factor. Never liked his style at all. Even when Image was booming and I was a young reader, I preferred a well told tale to one with lots of crosshatching. His art just looks dated and his recent revamp of WW shows his ideas up as out of touch too.

Other interesting note is how Marvel have spent the last few years bringing their main books numbering in line with their heritage titles (Thor, Captain America, Daredevil etc, all had issue 500) and now DC have said 'Fuck It' to the two longest running comic publications in history (Action and Detective) and stuck them back at #1. That's how I'm reading this news anyway. Unless they don't actually relaunch those titles and start with different titles with a view to putting them on hiatus and bringing them back later

Jesus, whatever, I need to get out more.

*Edit* Grant Morrison writing a monthly Superman title :wub:

Fucking Yes!

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But if its a reboot, none of that ever happened. Who's to say he's ever had any Robins at all? You're right though, the bold thing to do is complete reboot, it's really the only way to do this and not look half-arsed

I agree and that's going to be the biggest problem with a total reboot. Selling a mass cull of suddenly not-needed characters to the fans currently propping up the sales figures. It's quite a risk given how expensive this hobby is.

There are a lot of strange comic book types that get upset if their old comic books don't 'matter' anymore, which I find baffling and this could potentially put a lot of existing customers off.

Yup. Which is why I'm worried we'll get "One year later" in grand scale rather than the total reboot we need.

Personally, I've been looking for a reason to quite the monthly habit (again) as I just prefer reading this stuff in book form nowadays, however with the digital strategy, I can definitely see myself d/ling some of the more interesting titles for a sneaky tryout.

If DC have any sense at all every issue will come with a free five page sample.

Least interesting bit of this for me is the Jim Lee factor. Never liked his style at all. Even when Image was booming and I was a young reader, I preferred a well told tale to one with lots of crosshatching. His art just looks dated and his recent revamp of WW shows his ideas up as out of touch too.

COLLARS WITH Vs. EVERYONE MUST HAVE THEM. Did you notice Superman no longer has underpants too?

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The thing is that DC shouldn't need to do all this bullshit. They've been through so many revisions already that it's a joke but what stands strong is that their characters are icons that don't require the careful stepping through a minefield backstory (like a Marvel title).

I go into reading a Batman storyline as a separate entity from the stories that came before. As long as they can keep it consistent as long as threads of story are running or while it has the same writer I'm quite happy. All the previous stories become more legend that tight canon. Don't write off the big things but don't feel you have to bring up the bat-shark-repellent next time he's in the water.

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The problems tend to occur once you start having a lot of crossover with different titles. The more a title keeps to itself the less problems it has with regards to continuity. After all it's much easier to keep your house in order when the Batman creators don't have to worry that when the Penguin appears in Teen Titans he's going to end the story with his leg blown off.

Even if they do a total reboot within a few years they're going to be in a mess again. I just wish they'd clarify what their plans actually are.

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What? What happened to her tits? Who broke them???

They get bigger with almost every new artist…so will we see a reset? (on a slightly more serious note, apparently the new DCU will eliminate upskirts and the more risqué outfits that some superheroines wear - trousers are in!)

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They're going to get Barbara Gordon out of her wheelchair, aren't they?

Despite Oracle being one of the best things ever to happen to a character I suspect that Barbara will go back to being boring.

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Saw a random tweet earlier about the reboot, claiming it's less to do with being bold and new and exciting and more about changing Superman's origin story so they can save millions over the ongoing rights issue.

I don't even now how that would work but it has the horrible ring of truth about it.

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I just realised that they've removed those blade/hook type things from Batman's gauntlets.

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Anyway, they've released details on a bunch of the #1s. Very much a case of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.

http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/06/02/the-new-justice/

On Tuesday, we made the announcement in USA Today that DC was undertaking a historic renumbering of 52 superhero titles across the line, starting with JUSTICE LEAGUE #1 by our superstar creators Geoff Johns and Jim Lee. The cover to issue #1 is by Jim Lee and Scott Williams.

We’re announcing today that several of DC’s most iconic heroes will receive historic new first issues spinning out of the pages of Geoff Johns and Jim Lee’s JUSTICE LEAGUE:

New York Times bestselling writer Brian Azzarello, author of The Joker and 100 Bullets, teams up with the immensely talented artist Cliff Chiang (Neil Young’s Greendale) for WONDER WOMAN #1, an exciting new series starring the DC Universe’s greatest superheroine. The cover to issue #1 is by Cliff Chiang.

Geoff Johns, one of comics’ greatest storytellers, reunites with GREEN LANTERN and BRIGHTEST DAY collaborator Ivan Reis to bring you a thrilling new take on the fan-favorite hero of the sea in AQUAMAN #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Ivan Reis and Joe Prado.

Rising superstar Francis Manapul, fresh off his acclaimed run on THE FLASH with Geoff Johns, makes his comics writing debut in THE FLASH #1, sharing both scripting and art duties with Brian Buccellato. The Flash knows he can’t be everywhere at once, but what happens when he faces an all-new villain who can? The cover to issue #1 is by Francis Manapul and Brian Buccellato.

Welcome to a major new vision of the Nuclear Man as writers Ethan Van Sciver and Gail Simone team up with artist Yildiray Cinar to deliver THE FURY OF FIRESTORM #1. Jason Rusch and Ronnie Raymond are two high school students, worlds apart – and now they’re drawn into a conspiracy of super science that bonds them forever in a way they can’t explain or control. The cover to issue #1 is by Ethan Van Sciver.

Batman writer Tony Daniel will team up with artist Philip Tan (GREEN LANTERN: AGENT ORANGE, THE OUTSIDERS) for THE SAVAGE HAWKMAN #1. Carter Hall’s skill at deciphering lost languages has led him to a job with an archeologist who specializes in alien ruins – but will the doctor’s latest discovery spread an alien plague through New York City? No matter the personal cost, Carter Hall must don his cowl and wings and become the new, savage Hawkman to survive. The cover to issue #1 is by Philip Tan.

Oliver Queen is an orphan who grew up to fight crime as the Green Arrow, a billionaire playboy who uses his fortune to become a superhero – able to fight the most powerful super-villains in the universe with nothing but a bow and arrow. JT Krul will write GREEN ARROW #1 with art by superstar artist Dan Jurgens. The cover to issue #1 is by Brett Booth.

A team of internationally-drafted superheroes fight each other and their bureaucratic supervisors as much as they do global crime in JUSTICE LEAGUE INTERNATIONAL #1 from writer Dan Jurgens and artist Aaron Lopresti. The cover to issue #1 is by Aaron Lopresti.

The world’s third-smartest man – and one of its most eligible bachelors – uses his brains and fists against science gone mad in MISTER TERRIFIC #1, the new series from writer Eric Wallace and artist Roger Robinson. The cover to issue #1 is by J.G. Jones.

Captain Atom has all the power in the world, but no hope of saving himself. Charged by nuclear energy, possessing vast molecular powers, he has the potential to be a god among men – a hero without limits. But the question is this: Will he lose himself in the process? JT Krul and artist Freddie Williams II take the character in a bold new direction in CAPTAIN ATOM #1. The cover to issue #1 is by Stanley “Artgem” Lau.

The anthology series gets a new look in DC Universe Presents, a new series that will focus on multi-issue story arcs each featuring a different superhero from the DC Universe’s rich cast of characters, told by some of comics’ most exciting writers and artitsts. DC UNIVERSE PRESENTS #1 kicks off the first arc of the series: a Deadman story by Paul Jenkins and Bernard Chang. The cover to issue #1 is by Ryan Sook.

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Batman news. I guess this means Batman Inc. is done

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-detective-batman-titles-110606.html

"In the first BATMAN #1 since 1930, New York Times bestselling writer Scott Snyder teams up with superstar artist Greg Capullo in his DC Comics debut! In the series, Bruce Wayne once again becomes the only character taking on the Batman name.
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apparently the African Batman is getting his own series, so maybe Inc isn't gone afterall. I'll drop DC books for good if they fuck with G Moz's run, although that's not much of a stretch given that Inc and Detective comics are the only 2 dc universe titles I actually buy these days and Det comics will get dropped like a bag of burning dogpoo when Tony 'shithouse' Daniel takes over writing.

Bit dull though, same old writers, same old artists.

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