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“Batman, Incorporated will continue through to Issue #10 and August’s shocking season finale that changes the Batman status quo yet again. The series will take a brief hiatus while I work on a major new project to be announced shortly. Batman, Incorporated returns next year with me, Chris Burnham and Batman: Leviathan, the epic 12 part conclusion to my 6 year Batman saga. Don’t miss it!”

So it looks like the current DCU wraps up for good (for now - I'm leaning towards the new DCU being set on a different Earth in the multiverse) in Batman: Leviathan some time next year…

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I just read Paying For It by Chester Brown, a pretty straightforward account of his use of prostitutes. He basically got dumped by his girlfriend (although they continued to share a house - him in the dirt-floored basement - and he got to listen to her fucking other men) and decided he it would make more sense to use prostitutes rather than having to get involved with messy things like emotions. After calculating he can afford a hooker every three weeks he embarks on a decade long foray into the local scene.

It's obvious from his previous work that Brown is a pretty strange person and this is a compelling and clinical examination of one aspect of sexuality seen through the eyes of someone with a very limited emotional range. Encounters are rendered in postage stamp size panels with lots of clear space, people have mask-like faces (one, fixed expression and the whores are a general type varying mostly in breast size), Brown himself is skull-faced and blank-eyed behind glasses) and their postures are overwhelmingly passive. The sex itself is punctuated with little passages of self-justification and the book closes with a long essay where Brown tries to develop his arguments. He's careful to argue that he's successfully divorced sex from feeling but also goes to lengths to show emphasis the relationship type bits - the hug afterwards, the post-sex chat etc.

The whole thing is excellent, probably one of the best examples of autobiography you're likely to read, and also very sad.

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I've got a copy but haven't dug into it yet- I sort of enjoyed Playboy by him but I do find reading about his life does depress the hell out of me, despite the humour and admirable honesty in throws in there. Does it have an actual story arc to it, or is it more just a collection of scenes and so on? And on a scale of how depressing it is (1 being 'mildly sad' to 10 being 'slash your wrists immediately') where does it fit in?

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It's a story in the same way that his Yummy Fur stuff is although more Playboy than, say, Ed the Happy Clown. It's split into chapters (some only a couple of panels long) entitled after each girl mostly interspersed with him chatting with friends about his whoring etc and then some other life stuff. It's pretty episodic but does have an overarcing narrative that holds it together well. It's brilliantly done and it sounds like you'll know what to expect.

I can't say I exactly felt uplifted afterwards but I was definitely entertained (although I do have a weakness for tales of hookerdom - don't know why) and impressed. It's hard place it on a depression scale (although it is on the scale!) - it could be 1 and 10 at the same time but tending towards the self harming end of things.

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Two new Legion of Super Hero titles after the relaunch. That's me sorted

http://adventure247.blogspot.com/2011/06/so-about-that-new-dc-reboot.html

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Interesting choice of heroes to go back to the present day. Dawnstar, Wildfire (Presumably leading), Tellus, Timber Wolf, Gates, Tyroc (Sporting a much better look) and I'm presuming that's Collossal Boy's wife Yera (Chameleon Girl I guess)

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It's a story in the same way that his Yummy Fur stuff is although more Playboy than, say, Ed the Happy Clown. It's split into chapters (some only a couple of panels long) entitled after each girl mostly interspersed with him chatting with friends about his whoring etc and then some other life stuff. It's pretty episodic but does have an overarcing narrative that holds it together well. It's brilliantly done and it sounds like you'll know what to expect.

Ended up reading it in one sitting this afternoon. It was pretty good- the chapter structure worked really well- and funnier than I expected. I can't help feeling that a lot of his philosophy on romantic love was borne out of frustration and inexperience, but he'd possibly agree with that anyway. Would have liked to know a bit more about how

the relationship with Denise, as it was, came about at the end as there was mention of them being monogamous to each other for six years

but overall I think it's probably his best work to date. I did like the pragmatic way he approached everything, which was quite amusing at times.

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Would have liked to know a bit more about how

the relationship with Denise, as it was, came about at the end as there was mention of them being monogamous to each other for six years

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You and me both! There's some stuff about the relationship in this interview My http://soundcloud.com/bwalker/the-difference-between-givinglink but I'd love to see him explore it in more detail at some point.

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Teen Titans appear to have gone street and "edgy". Is this the 90s again? Is that why DC are so keen to get bloody Liefeld on board?

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*Edit* The description has the tone of a total reboot

Tim Drake is forced to step out from behind his keyboard when an international organization seeks to capture or kill super-powered teenagers. As Red Robin, he must team up with the mysterious and belligerent powerhouse thief known as Wonder Girl and a hyperactive speedster calling himself Kid Flash

There's a big fat starting from scratch if ever I heard one. I wonder if DC also plan to reboot the original Titans back to Perez area.

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It's the same as ever. If a comic looks interesting buy it until it stops being interesting. If it's drawn by Liefeld nuke the site from orbit.

I'll probably be trying out quite a few of the new titles. I don't expect DC will make this very successful from a quality point of view but I'm all for big sweeping changes at the moment. DC have really screwed up a lot of things in the plot department over the last few years.

It could be worse though. We could have titles being drawn by ol' porn face himself Greg Land

http://mightygodking.com/index.php/ultimate-power-2-very-naughty-edition/

Seriously. Click each one of those. The remix is hilarious.

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I'll pirate them all and then get any that are good in trade, maybe. I lol'd into a cabbage in the shop yesterday at the huge shelf of Flashpoint books, not even going to bother downloading those unless someone tells me they rock.

I'm kinda fucked off with comics. It seems like the career path for new Talent is totally backwards. They come out with fresh, interesting and crazy work which is critically acclaimed if not massive selling, then they are contracted by Marvel or DC to write a bunch of underpants perverts books.

Seriously? did Jason Aaron write Scalped to get noticed enough that he'd be able to write Wolverine? Was that his ambition all along?

Hickman's The Nightly News looked completely different to any other book released that year and was angry and original, was it just a dry run for Ultimate Hawkeye?

something is wrong with the world where this is the only way these blokes can make a living :(

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I'll pirate them all and then get any that are good in trade, maybe. I lol'd into a cabbage in the shop yesterday at the huge shelf of Flashpoint books, not even going to bother downloading those unless someone tells me they rock.

The main Flashpoint series is actually pretty good so far. Of the tie ins I've read the Abin Sur one (Very good) and World of Flashpoint which I liked but you'd probably need to be a Traci 13 fan to like it. I've skipped the rest. I flicked through them instore but they looked really dull.

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I'll pirate them all and then get any that are good in trade, maybe. I lol'd into a cabbage in the shop yesterday at the huge shelf of Flashpoint books, not even going to bother downloading those unless someone tells me they rock.

I'm kinda fucked off with comics. It seems like the career path for new Talent is totally backwards. They come out with fresh, interesting and crazy work which is critically acclaimed if not massive selling, then they are contracted by Marvel or DC to write a bunch of underpants perverts books.

Seriously? did Jason Aaron write Scalped to get noticed enough that he'd be able to write Wolverine? Was that his ambition all along?

Hickman's The Nightly News looked completely different to any other book released that year and was angry and original, was it just a dry run for Ultimate Hawkeye?

something is wrong with the world where this is the only way these blokes can make a living :(

Robert Kirkman made a similar point a few years ago when he quit writing for Marvel & DC

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17705

I think you can co-exist the two strands. Aaron still writes Scalped, clearly is a labour of love and I bet if you asked him he'd say he absolutely loves writing Wolverine too and the pay is better. We still have Powers, Criminal, Joe the Barbarian, Stumptown etc. All indie books from superhero writers. Getting your hands on a 'big two' character is probably a measure of success and a chance to put your stamp on a much-loved character. I imagine there isn't a comic book writer out there who wouldn't love to have a crack at a Batman story.

As a fan of both good writing and a fan of specific characters (Batman, Daredevil etc) it's good when you can combine the two to good effect.

Either way, the 'new' DC creative teams are shockingly unexciting for such a large scale event. They've just switcherooed a few around and whilst I've been loving Snyder on Detective, just chucking him over to Batman is a bit of a cop out.

Those redesigned Teen Titans costumes just underlines the comments made about an out of touch Jim Lee. Fuck me, that Superboy is so bad.

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Woooo. Wildstorm has been merged. I repeat. Midnighter is now in the DCU

"Welcome To The Edge

Stormwatch is a dangerous super human strike force whose existence is kept secret from the world. Jack Hawksmoor and the rest of the crew look to recruit two of the deadliest super humans on the planet: Midnighter and Apollo. And if they say no? Perhaps the Martian Manhunter can change their minds. Featuring a surprising new roster, STORMWATCH #1 will be written by the critically-acclaimed Paul Cornell (Superman: The Black Ring, “Dr. Who”) and illustrated by Miguel Sepulveda.

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And you know what that means. If Wildstorm is now DCU then it logically follows that Planetary is DCU. I'm putting 20 quid on next year's companywide crossover being a JLA throwdown with the Authority :)

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Certainly is, DC put them on their blog early by mistake and promptly deleted them, but not before some enterprising souls saved the images. Here's the rest of the new Super-Family.

Behold Supergirl's Superknees! (also a collar, thanks Jim Lee)

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I guess Superboy is now some kind of robot thing? :blink:

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It's true isn't it? Jim Lee and his Image buddies just convinced DC to piss off the only people currently buying their comics in the hope some kids will start buying them on their iPads.

Why does Supergirl look like she's aged 30 years? And that looks like a totally different Superboy than the one on the Teen Titans cover.

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A history of DC Comics retcons and reboots.

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Casey

Its funny how once DC started to try and resolve their continuity it took on a life of its own. It became like some kind of math formula that they were trying to calibrate just for its own sake. They took different routes, one towards maximum simplicity, the other towards maximum correlation with what had already occurred. Which is a similar set of strategies to what you often find in math and general scientific inquiry.

I'm taking things a bit far here, but I find it fascinating how much the hypertime solution that was introduced in The Kingdom resembles the approach to mapping language that's been developed by Noam Chomsky. It's just recursion. Stories being embedded within other stories, and sometimes being terminated in a certain branch, in a neverending tree structure.

(The page also links to the amusing The History of Hawkman Explained. :D)

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Browsing this thread of late had made me want to start collecting comics again rather than simply collected editions of limited series, like Y: The Last Man and Ex-Machina. Thanks to Jim Lee and co, I've been put off buying any DC titles.

Imagine if Grant Morrison was ever paired up with Rob Liefeld. Can you imagine how many heads would explode over following one of the greatest writers of all time by having to give money to one of the worst artists of all time. It'll never happen. Probably.

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