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My favourite bits were how it reminded me of great sections of Mario games from the past, teased you with them, made you think you might actually get to enjoy playing some great MARIO action and then... then they give you a tip on how to use your water pistol.

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Come on, let's not get carried away; Mario Sunshine is one of Nintendo's worst games ever. EVER.

Which says a great deal about Nintendo output when it still holds up as being one of the very best 3D platformers ever anyway eh....It's no Mario 64 granted, but it's still light years ahead of 99% of the tosh that others have splurted out.

I find all the discussion quite funny - I really wonder what some people have against the GC when they are unwilling to lay down just £40 for the chance to play Wind Waker, Monkey Ball, ToS, Paper Mario, Prime 1/2, Pikmin 1/2, RE 0/1/4 etc etc

Seriously, for pretty much the price of a single game you open up a pretty big library of high quality exclusive titles. What on earth is to moan about?

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What on earth is to moan about?

Um, with me it's high expectations and missed potential.

Wind Waker was probably my favourite game of 2003 until the bastards wanted me to find 8 shards of bollocks in the sea.

It just seems to me like something really has to change at Nintendo for them to come good. Maybe they haven't progressed with industry like they should have, I dunno. But I sure hope they try something new with their next console. If I were them I'd drop the shit they try to rely on - Mario, Zelda, etc. Give us something new and fresh, please! That's what I'd like anyway.

It's just not "cool" to like Gamecube.

Come on, it's Nintendo and they have the smallest installed userbase. That makes it cool to LIKE them.

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But I sure hope they try something new with their next console. If I were them I'd drop the shit they try to rely on - Mario, Zelda, etc. Give us something new and fresh, please! That's what I'd like anyway.

Nintendo's president actually emphasised the need for the company to come up with a new mascot...

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Wind Waker was probably my favourite game of 2003 until the bastards wanted me to find 8 shards of bollocks in the sea.

I'd drop the shit they try to rely on - Zelda

Does not compute.

Unless you want MS to drop the 'shit' they rely on too - Halo, Gotham etc ;)

Seriously, you think GC has missed 'potential' more than either the PS2 or the XBox? Sure on a purely sales basis perhaps (but then what does that matter to the individual end user right?), but I don't really think anybody could justifiably moan that the software isn't out there to make one a worthwhile purchase.

For me it's home to at least three of the top 10 titles of this entire generation......

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Um, with me it's high expectations and missed potential.

Wind Waker was probably my favourite game of 2003 until the bastards wanted me to find 8 shards of bollocks in the sea.

It just seems to me like something really has to change at Nintendo for them to come good. Maybe they haven't progressed with industry like they should have, I dunno. But I sure hope they try something new with their next console. If I were them I'd drop the shit they try to rely on - Mario, Zelda, etc. Give us something new and fresh, please! That's what I'd like anyway.

Come on, it's Nintendo and they have the smallest installed userbase. That makes it cool to LIKE them.

I fully understand what you are saying here, but on the other hand it would sadden me to see a generation of Nintendo without a Mario platformer or a Zelda adventure. Granted, TWW was flawed but still a lot better than similar adventure games on any platform. To top Zelda OoT, ALttP or Majoras Mask would be a major achievement, and they couldn't do it with TWW.

I still have high hopes for Zelda Next on the GC, maybe it will be the next OoT but most likely it wont be.

I would like to see something new and fresh from Nintendo as well. To think of all the great franchises they've made in the past makes it believable to think they could make new ones in the future.

The last "great" thing from Nintendo (software related) is Wario Ware but that is a franchise that would be hard to drag on in the same way they've done to Mario and Zelda.

I'd still like to see the rumoured Mario 128 make its appearance, if not on the GC then maybe on the next gen Nintendo console. I'd still like to see another Metroid game. I'd still like to see any of the Nintendo franchises to live on. Maybe Nintendo games are like mobile phones....the one you have is good enough but you change it with a flashier one when there is something new on the marked and are satisfied with that (but at its core, its still just a mobile).

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Does not compute.

If Wind Waker was essentially the same but not in Zelda clothing I reckon I'd have liked it more. And it would stop the constant "Not as good as OTT", "SMS not as good as M64", etc...

Same people working on WW with the same ideas, the same everything, except more freedom with them not having to stick to Zelda ingredients. I'd have liked to see how that would work out.

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Nintendo are dark horses.  The Gamecube may seem like a cheap bargain on it's own, but for all the extra shit they encourage you to buy to enjoy their games 'to the fullest' you end up paying far more than you do for say, an Xbox with Live.

Not really.

These days approx £49.99 is enough for a console and one controller. All you need to enjoy 99% of the games on the GameCube. Obviously you'll need extra controllers if you want multi-player but that's the same as the Xbox and better than the PS2, where you'll need a multi-tap as well.

Even at launch it was just £129.99.

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If Wind Waker was essentially the same but not in Zelda clothing I reckon I'd have liked it more.

Now that really does not compute. :D

EDIT Actually, I think I get it now. You'd have liked it to have featured space marines.... lesbian ones.

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.:.

I don't think Nintendo will ever overprice a console for the image they get by that. Tell me one time when Nintendo sacrifised the gamer for their image. Nintendo doesn't give that much about an image. They know they sell to the gamers that are true to them, partially because they don't screw them, and at a cheap price, it's easier to give it a try and get hooked.

.:.

Remember when Nintendo got fined for price fixing and keeping the price of games artificialy high? Because that was for the gamers too.

And, in all honesty, the gamecube is gay. It's purple with a handle for crying our loud. But then, at least it's comfortable with its gayness, unlike the XBox which doth protest too much. All butchness and beefiness, it's fooling nobody.

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Now that really does not compute. :D

Why? Would you not want to see a whole new RPG from Nintendo or would you just settle for Zelda forEEEEEVER?

No Triforce shard fishing is one reason why I'd prefer it! ;)

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Now that really does not compute.  :D

I dont think he noticed the sales for Beyond Good and Evil.

But seriously Soong, you are asking Nintendo to make a game without their key characters just so that it looks a bit different and therefore losing them a vast amount of sales due to lack of recognition.

Its like asking Rockstar to bring out a new GTA but to call it something completely different.

Why would Nintendo give up the pulling power of the Zelda name just so that the characters in the game look a bit different? It would be complete madness.

EDIT: Now you are changing your view... you said the same Zelda in different clothing... now you are saying you dont want to collect the shards - if this was the same game in different clothing you would have still had to do that...

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Why would Nintendo give up the pulling power of the Zelda name just so that the characters in the game look a bit different? It would be complete madness.

I'm not saying they will or want to. I'm just saying that's what I'd like.

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No Triforce shard fishing is one reason why I'd prefer it! :D

But you said 'the same game' - like collecting porn mags instead of shards would have somehow been better?

Seriously, the beauty of Nintendo games is that the iterations always tend to throw something new into the mix. Vey, very few of their updates to classic franchises are plain and simple updates - they always attempt something new. To simply say that all of their games are exactly the same as the previous releases is crazy*.

I'm ignoring Mario Party here as they really are flogging that one!

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But you said 'the same game' - like collecting porn mags instead of shards would have somehow been better?

Not exactly the same game, but a nice cel-shaded RPG which follows the same ideas. Just not with Zelda. Surely that's done and dusted now, let the bastard rest.

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I'm not saying they will or want to. I'm just saying that's what I'd like.

So, following that line, would you 'like' MS to ditch the Halo universe and give you something fresh instead? I mean, they've flogged that one twice this gen already :D

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There have only been two Halo games, so no.

Remember, not everyone is as old as us and haven't played every Zelda or Mario games out there. I have kids in the family who only played the GC ones and missed out on the really great ones but still they think the GC Zelda and GC Mario are among the best games ever made. Now they are waiting for more of the same, which I don't blame them as I was the same when I played the originals on the NES.

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I completely understand why people are getting tired of the Zelda franchise, particuarly with WW (although I think this took unfair flak because a lot less people played LTTP than OOT) because you do know before you start exactly what items you are going to be finding and what they do - taking away a lot of the suspense and excitement.

You also know very well the structure of the game (goto dungeon, find key item, kill boss repeat) and many other parts of the adventure.

Having said that they tried something new to mix up the Mario franchise and it seems that satisfied even less people.

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I think people were dissapointed by Wind Waker because they were expecting something different, especially after playing Majora's Mask. Instead they got pretty much the same game as Ocarina.

They do need to mix the franchise up, but in a Majora's Mask way.

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I think people were dissapointed by Wind Waker because they were expecting something different, especially after playing Majora's Mask. Instead they got pretty much the same game as Ocarina.

They do need to mix the franchise up, but in a Majora's Mask way.

I introduced my girlfriend to Zelda and TWW was the first one she played. She loved every single moment of it and completed it within a couple of weeks. I then said I had a better Zelda game and threw in the Bonus Disc with OoT on it. As much as she liked OoT she still liked TWW better as that was the first Zelda game she played, had a bigger impact on her and far better control of the main character (thats what she said, at least).

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I introduced my girlfriend to Zelda and TWW was the first one she played. She loved every single moment of it and completed it within a couple of weeks. I then said I had a better Zelda game and threw in the Bonus Disc with OoT on it. As much as she liked OoT she still liked TWW better as that was the first Zelda game she played, had a bigger impact on her and far better control of the main character (thats what she said, at least).

Precisely my point. My girlfriend had the same experience. In content they are very similar games, which is probably why most on here thought WW wasn't as good. Get her to try Majora's Mask, she might enjoy that more.

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I introduced my girlfriend to Zelda and TWW was the first one she played. She loved every single moment of it and completed it within a couple of weeks. I then said I had a better Zelda game and threw in the Bonus Disc with OoT on it. As much as she liked OoT she still liked TWW better as that was the first Zelda game she played, had a bigger impact on her and far better control of the main character (thats what she said, at least).

I have exactly the same feeling. Wind Waker was my first Zelda other than Link's Awakening, and it's my favourite Zelda. I played Ocarina of Time on the bonus disc, and still haven't got around to completing it.

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