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This is not a beard.

Despite having seen this film a number of times that's probably in double figures, I still don't understand why

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Tyler dies/disappears/whatever. Jack shoots himself in the mouth: so what? 'My eyes are open'? Eh?

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I can't remember myself. Something to do with realising he can take control of his life?

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I really didn't care once they revealed the plot twist. I know lots of people really love the film but I just thought the whole split personality thing was a joke. That and the apocalyptic ending which I found a stretch of the imagination too far even for me.
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I thought Tyler died because the Narrator shoots himself and believes he will die. (Un)fortunately, the bullet ricochets off the Narrator's teeth and out through his cheek, so he physically survives.

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I thought he knew he was going to shoot himself in the side of the mouth. Wouldn't a bullet, at that range, smash through teeth?
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I thought he knew he was going to shoot himself in the side of the mouth. Wouldn't a bullet, at that range, smash through teeth?

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If the Narrator knew he was deliberately going to miss his brain and shoot through his cheek, wouldn't Tyler know too? That's why I wonder if it was just accidental. I suppose the bullet could just deflect off his teeth if the gun wasn't pointed straight at them? Seems unlikely, I know.

...Just checked the book and it is pretty ambiguous too.

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The premise of the film is simple - I think it's a classic love story. Jack (Norton) wants to be loved. His life is empty, and he wants more than his material posessions and unpleasantly pleasant work collegues.

To find himself he does some stupid things, even creates an alter ego who loves him - but Jack has a destructive personality. He cocks up everything. His relationship with Bonhem Carter, his relationships with Tyler, and takes it to extreme levels at the end of the film when he blows stuff up.

Or that's what I though immediately upon seeing the conclusion to the film

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If the Narrator knew he was deliberately going to miss his brain and shoot through his cheek, wouldn't Tyler know too? That's why I wonder if it was just accidental. I suppose the bullet could just deflect off his teeth if the gun wasn't pointed straight at them? Seems unlikely, I know.

...Just checked the book and it is pretty ambiguous too.

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You could speculate that he'd earlier attempted to rid himself of Tyler when he burnt his arm with acid. Although this is a long shot to be honest, Jack is obviously some sort of pain junkie at heart too. I'd probably think it's much like teenagers cutting themselves when they are messed up in the head.

Regardless, shooting yourself IN THE MOUTH is a pretty potent way to snap yourself out of something.

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Utter crap. Fincher is a genius. Seven and Fight Club, any other director would sell their soul to the devil to have those 2 films on their CV.

All this spoiler stuff is a bit silly now isn't it?

Was I the only one who found Seven a little obvious? I got the ending easily.

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Beautiful wife. Head in a box delivery.

EASY. So much for the twist.

And Spacey didn't have to do much really.

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All this spoiler stuff is a bit silly now isn't it?

Was I the only one who found Seven a little obvious? I got the ending easily. Beautiful wife. Head in a box delivery.

EASY. So much for the twist.

Erm, what did you say about spoilers?

Eighthours : well, I'm pretty sure most directors would love to be as higly rated as fincher with such an average output, but that's not what you were saying, I think.

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I read somewhere that Bonhem Carter's character was a figment of Mr Norton's imagination as well. Can't remember where I read that, though.

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Apparently, in the book, it goes into a little bit of detail that she is definitely real, I wouldn't know as I've not read it. It could make sense though, when Norton chases her across the road at the start of the film, she runs across and no cars swerve to avoid hitting her, as if she wasn't there, whereas they swerve and screech as norton runs across. Another thing I noticed is that when Brad and Norton talk about that calvin klein models 6pack etc, they claim 'self improvement is masturbation'. Later in the film, whilst Brad is shagging Helena, Norton is doing sit ups, ie self improvement. And if Helena doesn't exist, the sex = masturbation.

All open to each individual viewers interpretation though, as with all films.

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Erm, what did you say about spoilers?

Eighthours : well, I'm pretty sure most directors would love to be as higly rated as fincher with such an average output, but that's not what you were saying, I think.

Pfft.

If you haven't seen Seven by now, don't ever watch it :angry:

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Apparently, in the book, it goes into a little bit of detail that she is definitely real, I wouldn't know as I've not read it. It could make sense though, when Norton chases her across the road at the start of the film, she runs across and no cars swerve to avoid hitting her, as if she wasn't there, whereas they swerve and screech as norton runs across. Another thing I noticed is that when Brad and Norton talk about that calvin klein models 6pack etc, they claim 'self improvement is masturbation'. Later in the film, whilst Brad is shagging Helena, Norton is doing sit ups, ie self improvement. And if Helena doesn't exist, the sex = masturbation.

All open to each individual viewers interpretation though, as with all films.

That's something I'd not considered at all, so well done hugh! I'm goignto read the book again now I think.

ETA: having to seen your post in hate thread the exclaimation mark is not meant to be sarcastic at all :D

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Two Guys see some nutter beating himself up so they decide to join his club? And that is why I cant take that film seriously
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This is the problem with Fight Club. It's amazing when you first watch it, and at the twist you're all like, "woah dude, that's a serious head fuck!"

But the twist undermines the rest of the film. Once you know Tyler doesn't exist, you can't enjoy the film in the same way.

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Why not?

Anyway, fuck spoiler tags. Anyone that wants to read a thread about the ending of a film without having the ending spoiled for them doesn't deserve to witness such a masterpiece in the first place.

My interprtation was that Tyler is Jack's shadow manifested into "reality" (his reality) rather than through his dreams (usually the gateway to the unconscious), since he suffers from insomnia. As Jack says in the film, "When you suffer from insomnia, you're never really asleep and you're never really awake". By making the conscious decision to commit an act of self-harm as extreme as shooting yourself in the mouth (as opposed to unconsciously either directly through or as instructed by his shadow, Tyler), Jack succeeds in integrating his shadow personality into his self and he ceases to exist. This is why the film ends with him standing next to Marla (his anima and the next integration in the individuation process) and the greatest song of all time, "Where is my Mind?" plays.

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This is the problem with Fight Club. It's amazing when you first watch it, and at the twist you're all like, "woah dude, that's a serious head fuck!"

But the twist undermines the rest of the film. Once you know Tyler doesn't exist, you can't enjoy the film in the same way.

You can. Because you spot things second time round.

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Yeah, I thought it was because he had every intention of killing himself and Tyler too. But when the bullet missed in the physical world it still hit Tyler right through the brain in the alternate reality. It's all to do with his intention to kill himself.

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' date='Jan 26 2005, 11:16 PM'] Yeah, I thought it was because he had every intention of killing himself and Tyler too. But when the bullet missed in the physical world it still hit Tyler right through the brain in the alternate reality. It's all to do with his intention to kill himself.

But didn't he put the gun in the SIDE of his mouth?

He didn't really miss from there now did he ;)

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