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[SaintM]

You know the stats for each league where you show the Top 5 teams by Most Goals Scored and stuff?

Would it be possible to add those stats to the individual player pages, just so you can see the stats for that player?

So you'd have a table like this:

Games Played | Goals Scored | Goals Conceeded | Avg Scored Per Game | Avg Conceeded Per Game

Edit:  Actually you don't even need a table as there is only one player.  Just list them in the player profile under the "Form (Last 5 matches)" bit.

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This change has now been implemented on the website.

I didn't add the 'games played' bit, as that is displayed in the table on the same page.

Please let me know of any problems, and of any more suggestions

[Jonny5]

Excellent!

Cheers for that.

[SaintM]

Please be aware that I will be updating the website with Season 3's fixtures etc shortly.

This will of course mean that any links I have posted will no longer be up to date.

Once changed, you can view Season 1 and 2's websites by clicking on the links in the news item on the front page.

[SaintM]

New features in planning

RPEL points

To give a sense of continuity between the seasons I want to add an ongoing points system.

This will be back-dated to include all previous seasons, and will be a running tally viewable on the participants pages.

The points will be calculated using the following system:

+1   per goal scored
-1   per goal conceeded
+1   per point earned
+20  per promotion
-20  per relegation
+80 for winning Premiership title
+30  for winning other league titles
+30  for winning cup competition

Hall of fame

To show who has been the best overall player so far, the hall of fame will have a 'Top Ten All Time Participant' list, using the new RPEL points.

It will also show who won which titles in previous seasons.

Feedback

I am looking for feedback regarding the above additions to the league website that I am currently thinking about. As normal, anything regarding them is up for alteration (especially the points system).

There is an extra week between seasons this time, so I may as well use it to try and improve the website!

[tyler]

Surely the points system means loads of lower league players will have more than prem players? Sounds a bit stupid

[SaintM]

Surely the points system means loads of lower league players will have more than prem players? Sounds a bit stupid

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Surely you mean 'flawed'? Or do you feel the idea of having a 'global ranking system' is stupid in itself?

Of course one way to avoid the lower league players being unfairly ranked would be to have points awarded according to finishing position. So for example 5th in the prem would get more points than the 5th in League One. That would probably be more realistic a way to gauge overall performance i think.

[tyler]

Surely you mean 'flawed'? Or do you feel the idea of having a 'global ranking system' is stupid in itself?

Of course one way to avoid the lower league players being unfairly ranked would be to have points awarded according to finishing position. So for example 5th in the prem would get more points than the 5th in League One. That would probably be more realistic a way to gauge overall performance i think.

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Yeah sorry man, my reply was a little sharp. I meant flawed. It needs something to give more credit to the people in the top few leagues.

As surely you'd want it representing the players consistantly in the top league towards the top.

[Repo]

Why not have the points on a sliding scale? A goal scored in Prem worth 7 points and points per goal scored in Ryman worth 1 point? The same system could be used for goals conceded and points earned.

[SaintM]

Why not have the points on a sliding scale? A goal scored in Prem worth 7 points and points per goal scored in Ryman worth 1 point? The same system could be used for goals conceded and points earned.

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I'm not sure about doing it for goals, but for points that deffo sounds like a possibility.

Per prem point = 7, per Unibond point = 1.

For example: someone finishing with 13 points in the prem would get 91 RPEL points, and someone finishing with 13 points in League Two would get 52 RPEL points.

[The Grand Pursuivant]

I'm not sure about doing it for goals, but for points that deffo sounds like a possibility.

Per prem point = 7, per Unibond point = 1.

For example: someone finishing with 13 points in the prem would get 91 RPEL points, and someone finishing with 13 points in League Two would get 52 RPEL points.

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That doesn't really show you who would be the best player of all time though. Somebody in the Rymans/Unibond might completely outcalss everyone else in their league, and have virtually nothing to show for it, whilst somebody who manages to scrape by in the Premiership would be in the top 10.

It's just my 2p though.

[tsunami1]

Yep but without disrespecting those in lower leagues, you have to take some account for the standard of opposition. A midtabled premiership side would likely be top of any lower league.

[SaintM]

That doesn't really show you who would be the best player of all time though. Somebody in the Rymans/Unibond might completely outcalss everyone else in their league, and have virtually nothing to show for it, whilst somebody who manages to scrape by in the Premiership would be in the top 10.

It's just my 2p though.

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The class of opponent is higher and the fact they got to the prem in the 1st place means they should get more points, shouldn't it?

[SaintM]

Right then.. I've done some tinkering and I came up with the following system:

The calculations

+2 per goal scored

-2 per goal conceeded

-200 per finish in a relegation spot

+1000 for winning cup competition

+500 for runner up in cup competition

And then this table is used for the position finished in:

Position      Prem    Champ   L1      L2       Conf    Ryman   Unibond
Champion      2000    1700    1400    1100     800     500     200
runner up     1900    1615    1330    1045     760     475     190
3rd           1890    1605    1320    1035     750     465     180
4th           1880    1595    1310    1025     740     455     170
5th           1870    1585    1300    1015     730     445     160
6th           1860    1575    1290    1005     720     435     150
7th           1850    1565    1280     995     710     425     140
8th           1840    1555    1270     985     700     415     130
9th           1830    1545    1260     975     690     405     120
10th          1820    1535    1250     965     680     395     110

Examples

Here are some examples using the above calculation:

Hobo: 2022 points

+22 gd

+2000 finish (1st in prem)

Manic Minor: 1917 points

+17 gd

+1900 finish (2nd in prem)

Siread: 1862 points

-8 gd

+1870 finish (5th in prem)

donnie darko: 1722 points

+22 gd

+1700 finish (1st in champ)

Razzle: 1624 points

+9 gd

+1615 finish (2nd in champ)

Squirtle: 1320 points

+10 gd

+1310 finish (4th in league one)

Vincenzo: 521 points

+21 gd

+500 finish (1st in Rymans)

The Goat Keeper: 97 points

-33 gd

+130 finish (8th in Unibond)

Notes

It has up to 10th place to reflect the change to 10 teams per league.

It means that the higher the league, the more points you get, and should also reflect the difference in ability needed to survive at the higher levels.

Any thoughts?

[Digimortal]

Squirtle: 1320 points

+10 gd

+1310 finish (4th in league one)

Vincenzo: 521 points

+21 gd

+500 finish (1st in Rymans)

I think winning leagues should get alot more points no matter what the division.

Edit, so you get more point finishing bottom of a league than you do finishing top of the one below? Seems a bit silly.

[SaintM]

Squirtle: 1320 points

+10 gd

+1310 finish (4th in league one)

Vincenzo: 521 points

+21 gd

+500 finish (1st in Rymans)

I think winning leagues should get alot more points no matter what the division.

Edit, so you get more point finishing bottom of a league than you do finishing top of the one below? Seems a bit silly.

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If you are relegated you also get a -75 points penatly to reflect that, though I think i will change that to read finishing in a relegation spot (even though drop-outs may of meant not actaully be relegated).

I don't see why winning a lower league should be worth more than finishing low in the top league. It's all about comparative effort required to win matches, and matches in the Prem are a lot hard to win that in the lower leagues.

EDIT: Also add into that the fact that the person who wins the lower league will more than likely have a higher goal difference, it should make it pretty much even between the two.

But I think I may make it -2/+2 on the goals to make that emphasis more apparent.. i'll do some calculations to make sure it does not screw it up 1st.

[SaintM]

Ok, changed the calculations to make +2/-2 on gd, and adding in a -200 for finishing in a relegation spot, rather than actually being relegated.

That comes up with:

Tyler:1864

+4 for GD

+1860 for position (6th in prem)

Steev: 1576

-64 for GD

+1840 for position (8th in prem)

-200 for relegation

Donnie Darko: 1744

+44 for GD

+1700 for position (1st in Champ)

Mad kiwi: 1333

-22 for GD

+1555 for position (8th in Champ)

-200 for relegation

Spanx: 1418

+18 for GD

+1400 for position (1st in League One)

I rate finishing outside of a relegation spot in a league higher than being the champ of the lower league, and these figures seem to do the same.

[SaintM]

I'm gonna go ahead and start doing this now.

I will be using the calculations in post #43.

As the first season was not using ranked tables, I will use the League Two column to calculate finishing points I will not use that season in the stat.

If you don't like the calculations, then please feel free to ignore the stat

EDIT: I'm gonna drop this. There does not seem to be much interest in it and I'm not convinced that it will be worth my time implementing.

[SaintM]

Season 4 website is now live.

I've changed the layout of the site, and from the index page you can now link to each of the 4 seasons.

Season 4 has the new league structure and fixture lists. If you get a moment, it may be worth just checking the fixtures you are involved in to ensure they are correct.

I will be adding the Hall of Fame text sometime today I imagine.

[Digimortal]

Great job with the season 4 site, sorry the last idea didn't work out for you.

Can't wait to get this underway.

[SaintM]

sorry the last idea didn't work out for you.

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Mark it down as well intentioned, but badly implemented

[SaintM]

Website addition

I've added a Hall of Fame to the website.

It was done by hand, so if you see an error please let me know and I'll sort it out.

[SaintM]

Apologies for the lack of a Wed update. The forum being down sorta put paid to that! I'll get it done tonight instead.

[SaintM]

Website revamp

I've been working on changing the look and layout of the website over the last week or so and would appreciate people taking a look and giving me some feedback on it.

The test site is viewable at: http://www.saintm.nildram.co.uk/test/index.html

Things to note:

• the small badges being used are a bit 'rough'. I intend to redo them at some stage
  
• the users pages are currently blank i've not done that bit yet
  
• the data is from a week or two ago
  
• the page links in the rules need completing
  

Any sort of constructive feedback is good!

Thanks,

Mike

[kthxbliz]

Good work. My own complaint about the current setup was that it could get a bit confusing with the menu at the top when navigating leagues and seasons but, as you said, this should make it more accessible in this regard. Looking good.

[pompey88]

Yeah really like it, nice work Saintm!

[V3zna]

Looks good. Definite improvement.

[Miner Willy]

Yep, very good. Gets my seal of approval.

[Mercury]

Another thumbs up from me and it's post 53

[SaintM]

Pffft.. i was close enough.

I'm not happy with the header of the page, but im more an information than a page design kind of guy!

[tyler]

I like it.

Could you change the bit where the text string 'FCB tyler' is at the bottom of one page and put it at the top. The number alongside it should be something like 20-30, not 1

Cheers