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If you liked the first one and you enjoy hacking, slahing and jedi-ing people, this game will be for you. Modify your light saber to the n-th degree? sure. Train others as jedi? Why not. Geek out over your stats (And who in all honesty RPG's and doesn't?) then this is for you.

If you need anything resembling a story, please for the love of god and baby jesus, avoid. By the end of playing i couldn't care less who was good or evil i just wanted them dead, and unfortunately it was way too easy I.M.O.

Has anyone noticed the difficulty of RPG's on the Xbox slip towards the Junior range? hmm....

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Orbital2060

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no. no it does not. in fact, that's probobly the worst idea i have ever heard ever.

an additional first person mode would be very nice for exploration, the 3rd person in KOTOR feels like driving a car from the backseat...and the menu screens are totally arse when playing in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 resolutions. they're tiny and fiddly and the usage of items and armour takes too many button presses to complete. meh.

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...and the menu screens are totally arse when playing in 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 resolutions. they're tiny and fiddly and the usage of items and armour takes too many button presses to complete. meh.

Yes damn Xbox game. Wait a second...if it wasn't for the Xbox the game may not have been made!

How you must rue that eh?

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Yes damn Xbox game. Wait a second...if it wasn't for the Xbox the game may not have been made!

How you must rue that eh?

somehow i don't think so. they probobly got money from MS for releasing it on xbox first and delaying the pc version. but it was coming out either way.

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Would this game provide Jedi-flavoured solace for a die hard Deus Ex fan?  Is the story really any good?  And how "black and white" does it all feel (kinda inevitable given it's starwars)

It's similar to Deus Ex as far as having hubs you travel between with offshooting quests (some required, some optional). The combat is completely different.

I think the story for both KOTORs are very nice, but the second gets a little complicated and murky towards the end. It's definitely not a simple good vs evil story (like the first one), there's a lot more depth and "grey" in this one. Which is good, but as I say, a bit puzzling from time to time...I'm a SW nut and still didn't follow it all.

Maybe I'm just a thick shit.

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Orbital2060

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Yes damn Xbox game. Wait a second...if it wasn't for the Xbox the game may not have been made!

How you must rue that eh?

he he yes ;) but the xbox version is truly excellent, i just never understood why the menus weren't sized to the actual resolution in the pc game ? i love to hang out at the menus and look at the stuff i just bought/nicked! it's almost as bad as the map legend in GTA:SA :lol:

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alan cummings

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I'm playing this now and have so far enjoyed the opening sequence (which everyone has slated) but thats probably because i was expeciting it to be utter shit, whereas i found it enjoyable average. looking forwards to it getting a bit livelier though.

one thing i have found is that the enormous amount of time i spent on kotor 1 is possibly proving a handicap to my enjoyment. because i got so into maxing out my jedi characters, i'm finding it hard to try out different things in this one.

for example in kotor 1 if you hadn't worked out the best way to level up, it was easy to spend your precious skill/feat/ power points on abilities which were pretty much useless later in the game, because all you needed was rock hard lightsaber skills and the best force powers. putting points into other stuff early in the game came back to haunt you later on as you didn't have enough points to get the stuff you really needed maxed out.

is there still al level 20 cap on all the characters? if there is i guess its still a step forward as you can get a level 20 jedi who will be considerable harder than the level 18 jedi/ level 2 secondary class, which you ended up with at the end of kotor.

also, not sure if its like this all the way through... but the item upgrades seem to have the same effect no matter what upgradeable armour/ weapon you put them into.. is this right? i, failry sure that in kotor they had different effects in different equipment. seems a slight step backward.

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Guest nomenclature

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Oops, I was posting about Kotor 2 in the 'Kotor Question' thread...I must have missed this one.

Anyway, the level 20 cap is gone (I'm currently 22-23) but some of the force powers (force lightning) aren't really balanced after 20 so they end up being really rather powerful. You also get a prestige class choice at level 15, which is nice.

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Got this yesterday - seems good so far, but nothing exactly mind blowing. When KOTOR came out I played it for 5 hours straight, the first time I had done such a thing in years. KOTOR 2 I played for maybe 1.5 hours and was happpy to switch off to watch some Babylon 5.

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Right then. Is my Xbox laser finally giving out, or is this game just incredibly buggy? Characters get cut off in mid-sentence as cutscenes end; people get stuck on scenery during combat; people who are supposedly wearing enviro-suits actually clearly aren't. Meanwhile, it so often feels broken and unfinished. The menu screens and subtitles are full of typos.

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Some bits in Nar Shadda are just awful. Example: I was stuck for ages trying to gain access to the thugs' territory in the refugee area, as I just couldn't convince the guards to let me past. That was, until I realised that I could just walk right past them without them batting an eyelid. Then I get the meeting arranged with the Exchange in the Nar Shadda bar. But oh! The air is poisonous and apparently gas masks won't do, it has to be a full body-suit. Which is strange, as not half an hour ago I had my entire party walking around the Nar Shadda in gas masks, with no apparent ill-effect. And then bounty-hunter girl nicks my spacesuit and goes there herself. And though other characters behave as though she's wearing the suit, she in fact is not.

And then there's the dialogue trees, which feel weird and disjointed as often as they feel smooth and well-written. Have a conversation with an NPC (including revelations about the whereabouts of his long-lost wife), then come back five minutes later and have the exact same conversation again, as if the first one had never taken place. Abandon a line of questioning halfway through and you have to begin it again from the start.

It's pretty tragic, as there are so many great moments in amongst the badness. It could really have done with another month or so in development. Oh well. There's still no way I'm abandonong it before the end, and for me it still kicks the crap out of any JRPG you could mention.
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I've only had two things that were really wrong. Once I got stuck on a piece of scenery with master speed on and the whole screen started blurring and it slowed to a crawl. Hitting pause somehow fixed this. The other time this guy I was talking to disappeared and only appeared from one particular camera angle.

Of course the whole thing is generally hampered by the crap engine. It starts throwing so many guys at you that it can barely cope, especially if you start using force powers and the like.

My main problem with the game so far (other than the above) is how incredibly easy it is. The difficulty curve just broke down after about 1/4 of the game. Even supposedly hardened Jedi go down in a couple of hits. Lowest I've ever had my health reach was about 50% and that was without really paying any attention, no buffs, and essentially no armour. It's nice to know you are some kind of super-amazing-Jedi-type but they could at least throw a few battles in that require some thought.

Other than the usual moaning it's still pretty good fun, and the lack of challenge means it's a stress free experience. There are some nice bits, especially on Onderon and Dxun, and some of the characters are quite interesting.

For all the good things there are just as many flaky, silly little things that irritate. Kotor could be really great, but I think they would need to throw a lot more time and money at it to polish it up.

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ScandalousTraveler

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So who else hasn't played this yet? Not I! It's my game this month, and I'm hoping Play.com will not be tardy, and will deliver on time. However it's only packing now...so it might only arrive on saturday - let's hope it's then at least!

i got to wait till i get paid but it looks and apparently plays really good.

whats the average life of it ? 30hours ? i did kotor 1 in 21hours !!!

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Was looking forward to this game but a combination of too mnay barely touched games and a new baby to look after means there is no way I could devot enough time to an RPG.

I loved the first game and it was one of those that I would devote hours to.Quite rare for me.

Might have to wait to people finish it off and sell it off cheap in the trading forums :rolleyes:

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Well, there's a surprise: the ending is a bit of a mess too. The plot is surprising subtle; it's nice to see the Black Isle influence there. However, the great looking bad guys are severely underused, and Bao-Dur stopped talking to me quite early on so some of the bits and pieces at the end didn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not on the same level of rubbishness as Halo 2's ending and it sort of wraps stuff up but it's extremely curt.

The last fight is also quite difficult which made a nice change, and it's still nice to clean roomfulls of guys with force whirlwind and lightning.

So: good story, messily implemented, fun character development, very little challenge.

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alan cummings

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yes i'm really enjoying it despite a few reservations, mainly because of bugs and graphical glitches but its all very minor. Just starting to get into the story and get a bit of a clue what is going on (about 5 hours in i guess). i had to force myself to involve myself in kotor1 9 (to start with) and there were a few times where i left it a week or so before i had the inclination to go back. but the storyline in kotor 2 has gripped me a lot more, now its started to get going.

i'm slightly disappointed that (according to the manual) the subgames seem to be the same ones (turret, speeder race etc) which i thought could have done with a slight overhaul as they were a bit laclustre.

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Space Renegade Ulala

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Couldn't find the post or poster who originally raised the issue but someone complained that their brother or someone started a new game that seemingly wiped out his 30hr save, or thereabouts - well, just to let them know that if you press X on the save/load screen, it should switch characters and all your previous saves with the other character should appear.

Then you can go on and finish it and join the rest of us in weeping real salty tears at the butchered, infuriating ending. Ahem.

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