Kotor 2

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Yeah, the Trayus Academy was funny, a 'Sith Lord' behind every other door who'd be dead before they could switch on their sabre most of the time. Hell, some of the rooms I went into, I find the remains waiting for me - that's what you get for trying to hide by the next door and ambush someone, boys. All hail Force Wave.

[Warszawa]

Okay, what am I doing wrong here?

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I'm on Telos, the "Arms Dealing" mission and I'm told to come alone. However, I cannot de-select my two companions and if I go into solo mode I'm still told at the door that I need to leave them behind.

[Warszawa]

Actually, forget that.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Oooh, much goodness revealed:

The previously mentioned holographic appearance of Ms Shan:

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Can only go by this run's dark side perspective but that was ace. So Revan took T3 & HK on their trip to examine the new threat in the unknown regions but ordered her to stay behind. Fortunately, she programs T3 to bring the Hawk back and find either her or someone powerful enough to do something should anything happen to Revan...but did T3 seek out the Exile or Kreia? Looking forward to seeing the lightside version of this.

Re. Hanharr

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Jinkies, he's awesome. Seriously, kit him out with a decent pair of swords and send him off in his beserker mode and he could probably take down Revan, Malak, Nihilus and Sion at once. It's a pity you can only get him dark side as he's 10 times more useful than Mira...

Re. The Dancer/Slave Girl costume - doesn't quite go with the dark side complexion but nevermind.

Finally gotten Kreia to reveal all, and fortunately you don't have to raise your weakest skill much at all to get 'finish' the skills lesson. It's also good how having Hanharr on board lets her show you how to tap into his strength for some juicy bonuses.

[sandman]

I must say that I'm really beginning to enjoy this now.

The first two hours or ok, but its really good once you get to Telos. I like the slowly revealing story so far.

[winkerwatson]

It keeps getting better until the last planet.

Also its nice to have all the FMV and soundtrack opened up. That Jedi theme is quality.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Yes, for all my gripes with the opening and the ending, the meat of it, the 30hrs inbetween, is pretty damn ace, with loads going on beneath the surface.

My dark side game has been something of a dismal failure so far - keeping in everyone's good books has lead to loads of light points, as did siding with the Ithorians for the lightsabre parts. Even without that, though, I just can't ever bring myself to ally with Czerka or help out the Exchange. Plus I spared the Jedi Master in order to learn techniques off him. But it's cool - I'm technically evil but really it's a decent and fair kind of evil as opposed to psychotic, running around ripping off, bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-haring and killing everyone I meet evil. Vrook is frickin' dead, mind. His ass and my boot have a serious rendezvous coming...

[winkerwatson]

i always find it too difficult to be evil. At least there aren't as many good acts in this one that are so stupid they make your brain cry.

And that guy on Nar Shadaar

[ScandalousTraveler]

i was well evil on kotor 1, stealing bounties, killing all good people, not listening to reason.... ha ha ha

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Oh wow. Being evil, while somewhat against my nature (shut up, you) is arguably the better bet in this game. Getting all the info from Kreia, Mandalore and HK-47 about Revan is great, really filling out the gaps and answering the questions about everyone's favourite amnesiac Dark Lord. Also, HK once again has utterly priceless dialogue, particular the bit where he recalls the 'weak, whiny meatbag companions' Revan surrounded himself with (cue a pair of wonderfully mean-spirited Carth and Bastila impressions). Take him to Onderon, piss everyone off, give him the time of his life and he'll be your best friend.

Of course, another highlight of the dark side is Dantooine, namely finally giving Master Vrook what he's had coming for oh-so-long. It's a much better fight than Nihilus, a straight one-on-one with a nice bit of verbal sparring as well.

The only down side is that everyone you meet tells you how bad you look - the evil Willow look doesn't seem to be popular round these parts...

[Project 2501]

Right, so when does this start getting good? Harsh and predictable (from me) I know, but I've been stuck in the peragus station for about an hour or so, how long does this go on for?

I like the fact that you can opt to play as jesus though.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

It doesn't start picking up until after you leave Peragus and the Harbinger, and even then Citadel Station's not too wonderful either. It's only once you pick meet Bao-Dur and start flying around the galaxy that things shift into gear as the greatness is mostly all in your dealings with your companions and abuse of your persuade/Dominate Mind abilities. If you don't create a talky-character, you'll probably never have any fun.

It's a weird one, this. Akin to a novel printed on ugly paper that takes over 10 chapters to get interesting then is wicked all the way to the last chapter, which you find has had pages randomly ripped out, including the last one. Peragus is around 4-5hrs long and tedious to the Nth degree. I wouldn't blame you for wanting to give up, it's a horrible opening to a game.

[winkerwatson]

I didn't enjoy Peragus at the time but looking back on it I can appreciate it for what its trying to do.

It's great being allowed to corrupt the other characters, i'm looking forward to it.

And atton is far superior to Carth. Especially when you hear his back story.

[daveodeth]

anyone know what the HK factory is about, i cant seem to find anything.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

The HK factory is another part of the game that wasn't finished in time, although if you use some kind of cheat device, you can actually access it. I've no idea where it's supposed to be, though there's a suspicious looking area on Telos that has a door to a sub-level that you can't actually unlock and has a broken HK unit nearby...

Poor 47, he never did get to show those cheap knockoffs what's what.

[daveodeth]

damnit, the more i play the more it seem the damn thing wasn't finished.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

More on everyone's favourite assassin droid:

(scene cut from the game where he tortures a captured HK-50)

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HK-47: Command: You will talk.

HK-50: Defiant Statement: There is nothing you can do to me. Do your worst. [being electrocuted] Agonized Exclamation: Ah, my photoreceptors! My photoreceptors!

HK-47: Statement: I shall up the charge to your circuits next time. Now answer the question.

HK-50: [Just electrocuted, a little weak] Posturing Statement: I will never talk.

HK-47: Statement: Then I will have to settle for your screams.

Atton: [Watching HK torture the droid, shaking his head, disturbed] That is one sick droid.

[The HK-50 unit screams comically]

HK-47: Statement: My prisoner has revealed something of interest. Allow me to share it with you. Statement: The facility that is creating these cruder, unsophisticated versions of me is located on Telos. I propose we go there and turn it into a smoldering crater.

47 eventually destroys the HK-50s and the factory with the help of its newly produced HK-51 models...but he doesn't ride off into the sunset, oh no!

(original version of the GO-T0/remote standoff on Malachor V)

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Now that this was cut is possibly the most annoying thing of the lot - HK-47 bursts in to save the remote and make sure the Exile's orders were carried out. GO-T0, who naturally was behind the droid factory all along, has some HK-51s to back him up but due to their template and programming are unable to harm their predecessor, who shuts down 'the fat one'.

Lastly, this is in the 'finished' game but you need to get a decent influence with him to reveal it: http://camilachan.free.fr/HK-47_-_Pheromone-driven.mp3

I love him even more now.

[Guest nomenclature]

That's amazing!

I can't believe they cut this stuff out. Someone needs a serious Force Kick-Up-The-Arse.

[winkerwatson]

I was the stuff removed from the ending that was the worst.

Bloody Lucas Arts.

I'm replaying KOTOR now but have abandoned my plans to go darkside.

[Taurus]

Where can I read about the bits that were cut out and stuff to meet deadline?

And is anyone else finding the AI a bit glitchy? I keep pausing combat, issuing orders to each character, then unpausing only to find that the AI overrides my orders. I don't think that happened in the first game, did it? And occasionally the other party members will stop following my character all together.

[winkerwatson]

The Osbidian forums (can't remember the address has a massive thread on the subject. Major spoilers though so you might want to finish the game first.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

Here you go, Dave - http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=29764&st=15 - but as has already been pointed out, the spoilers lay the game bare.

That's the 3rd page of the Cut Stuff thread, where someone kindly compiled into a form that was readable and not full of code-style gubbins. Around page 9, 10, someone sticks up links to some of the actual sound files.

The droid factory is not in the PC version, although there are saves online that you can use to install and access it. It is in the Xbox version but you'll need a cheat device to access it and obviously it's half complete, with enemies with a bare minimum of health, unfinished rooms, etc.

As to why it so much was cut, some say time (certainly would appear to be the case with the droid factory), others say the Lucas Arts wussed out when they saw how (relatively) grim some of the endings were and ordered Obsidian to cut them. Given that the reports of a year-6 months prior to release talked about multiple endings instead of just 1 light/1 dark, it does make you wonder...

As for the combat, yeah, I've had similar problems with it, though it was 'feature' of the original as well. You'd think at least they'd have fixed it for this, though.

[daveodeth]

the bugs are really pissing me off now, can obsidian put out a game that isn't a mess.

[a big boy]

Indeed she is. I managed to get all that stuff from her when I was pure lightside though.

The Sith Lords here make you realise how crap Malak was. Really weak design and voice acting.

Only just done my first playthrough. Only got Handmaiden trained. Never managed Mira, influence on Atton came late and Bao-Dur was bugged (all conversation trees are inaccessible). Made the last planet quite confusing that did. And why can't he wear Jedi robes? My dreams of turning him into Darth Maul were crushed.

Takes ages to get red lightsaber crystals as well.

Haha, that's happened on my new file (after the one that saved itself at a spot impossibel to complete the game from - what a buggy piece of oh so brilliant shit this game is!) as well. I found that if you change charactes to Bao-Dur and as him try to talk to your main character you can get around this. On the other hand, switching to the third character in your party and trying to talk to Bao-Dur as him/her causes the game to crash, so don't do that.

[ScandalousTraveler]

i think they were in too much of a hurry bringing on the shelves rather than finishing it.

[winkerwatson]

i blame Lucas Arts.

I'm replaying KOTOR 1 and to be honest the second game pisses all over it in terms of acting, script, character design and storyline.

Could easily have been the best RPG of the generation but as it stands its a flawed masterpiece.

[Guest carrot]

Okay, I competed KATOR 2 and have a few questions regarding the game. (Windows dicided to be gay and won't boot and I don't have a replacment cd to re-install it to replay and find out.)

Firstly after telos I went to this planet (forgot the name) where there was a speeder and you had to collect parts in order to get it working. I installed all but one part and then I went to it and it said it had been sabotaged. ffs it took me ages to find them all!

Also when you have to go into that dodgy bar with the woman, she took my environmental suit. Was this the suit from the telos station, or was I meant to have found one on the planet? (The first time I sent a bot into the bar alone as it wouldn't die in there.)

Also does levelling up as a jedi weapon master actually have any benefits? I didn't really talk to kriia until the very end of the game as I didn't like her voice and as a result I was jedi level master 4 or something stupid.

Sorry if I've got any spoilers of stuff here, I'm too dumb to know how to put in the code for them, though I'm pretty sure most of you have already played the game by now, and even reading this you won't have a clue what I'm going on about until you play the game.

Cheers.

[Steven]

I must be incredibly lucky, as I'm twenty-odd hours in and yet to see any real glitches. Really quite enjoying it after all the negativity it's attracted.

[Roblet]

I keep pausing combat, issuing orders to each character, then unpausing only to find that the AI overrides my orders.

This happens to me a lot too... though it seems to be restricted to force powers only. But yeah, it happened in the original as well. No idea why it wasn't fixed, unless it's some sort of deliberate design feature.

My darkside playthrough is progressing swimmingly. Atton has already commented on my vampire-like complexion, and some of the evil dialogue options are just brilliant...

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"[Force Persuade] You two: hand over all your credits and jump into the central pit"

My gaming moment of 2005 may well already have arrived.

[Space Renegade Ulala]

I must be incredibly lucky, as I'm twenty-odd hours in and yet to see any real glitches. Really quite enjoying it after all the negativity it's attracted.

Apart from the afforementioned people running all over the shop in fights now and then, the only other bug I've encountered duplicated a double-bladed lightsabre after fiddling around on the workbench, right down to the spread of crystals I had installed in it. That kind of bug I can live with...