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1 minute ago, SeanR said:

 

don't worry guys, I got this...

 

*ahem*

 

"was this your first episode of Doctor Who?"

Obviously not. All the most memorable episodes for me have a enemy or dilemma which drives the plot. Weeping angels, a dalek, the end of the universe, whatever. This had 

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Crash landing, strange hologram man, robots, sentient bandages...

Was the point of the story the race? Finding the TARDIS? Getting one over on the race organiser? The gruff man who had a shit childhood finding redemption? One of those things done well would've been good, not all of them done weakly

 

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Chibnall is all about "putting out multiple fires" as he puts it. Essentially running around dealing with multiple strands at once. I'm really, really hoping for a standout enemy this series though. Don't forget for every weeping angel, dalek or cyberman there are literally hundreds of run-of-the-mill generic blokes wrapped in polystyrene who you never think about again. Nevermind the CG dustbins and so on. But I've always thought the showrunners were only as good as their best baddie personally.

 

As for that episode, looked and sounded great, the cast are all great and the atmosphere was a bit melancholy and interesting. But the plot was a little thin. Still, I liked it plenty.

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I’ve watched these first two episodes with my boys and it’s been pretty good. They seem to be really enjoying it, so just watching them get excited by it is the best thing.

 

Anyway, I was wondering if the scripts are deliberately dumbed down for the younger audience? I noticed some of the language seems a bit simplistic. In this episode, for example, she kept saying that there was once life on the planet but where were the people. I presume her calling them people is to make it easier for kids to understand. Is that right?

 

It feels a bit out of place to me, but I don’t think my boys saw anything wrong with it.

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48 minutes ago, grindmouse said:

 

But it was usually the same in Moffat's run. We've only had two episodes - give it time.

 

Another difference between this and a Davies/Moffat episode was they got themselves out of a sticky situation in a basic but satisfying way using items and knowledge foreshadowed earlier in the episode. It was coherent and didn't involve a deus ex machina or the overeliance on the screwdriver.

 

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Chekhov's self-igniting cigar!

 

 

New TARDIS: I like the "porch" area. (Which doesn't get mentioned in the making of video below.) Not so sure about the Fortress of Solitude crystals - and it does seem a little too dark and unwelcoming; when they walked in at the end of the episode, I wondered if the room was going to light up!

 

 

 

Also: bit awkward how we get the next episode teaser within the credits before the end title card, followed immediately by a fuller next episode trailer (that repeats some bits) as part of the BBC presentation.

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31 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Why not call them people? They were a relatively advanced civilisation rather than just some kind of wild creatures roaming about like cattle or whatever.

Because they’re not human. It’s not a big deal, but I thought parts of the script felt a bit off and was wondering whether that was the reason, rather than lazy writing. I’ve never watched it before, so don’t know it that’s its thing.

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I'm liking it. Jodie is fab and it looks fantastic.

 

Only gripe is it does feel a bit simpler than before, but maybe it needs it to bring back the audience. Slightly irritating when the dialog is constantly asking questions which seems to be for the benefit of the audience.

 

But hopefully as we progress the scripts will tighten up. Bradley is proving pretty good also.

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Although I’m a huge Moffat fanboy and consider Matt Smith’s first series the pinnacle of Doctor Who, I am enjoying the back to basics approach. No universe-threatening calamities, no rending the fabric of time and space, just the Doctor and her befuddled companions escaping whatever scrape they stumble into and helping the people they find along the way. It seems like a deliberate return to “old Who” stories but with modern production values.

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1 hour ago, Darren said:

Although I’m a huge Moffat fanboy and consider Matt Smith’s first series the pinnacle of Doctor Who, I am enjoying the back to basics approach. No universe-threatening calamities, no rending the fabric of time and space, just the Doctor and her befuddled companions escaping whatever scrape they stumble into and helping the people they find along the way. It seems like a deliberate return to “old Who” stories but with modern production values.

I have to echo this. It all feels like early Hartnell, Pertwee and Davidson with being so back to basics in terms of plot. A welcome change after 13 years of Davies and Moffat cramming in plot in every minute.

 

The new style gives room for the characters to breathe and the atmosphere of the story to settle a bit. Plus, this is the second episode in a row where we’ve had a planet/baddie with some actual history behind them, rather then the bipedal animal aliens in the Davies years or the machinery run amok of the Moffat years.

 

So far i’m liking this new style for the show. It feels like the first BIG change its had since the revival. On the same level as going from Troughton to Pertwee.

 

Watching this made me realise how excited I am to see classic villains come back in this more gritty style.

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1 hour ago, jonamok said:

Did the Doctor lie when she said that death comes to us all, as the Doctor can’t die anymore right? Just keeps regenerating. The old rule of 12 regens was abandoned I thought.

 

Regeneration doesn't mean the Doctor can never die. I always assumed that regeneration has its limits in the sort of injuries it can help a Time Lord survive - and at least in modern Who, it also seems to rely on the TARDIS being nearby.

 

The Doctor is not Captain Jack or Wolverine! She can be brought back from things like being bathed in radiation, shot by a Dalek, or drowning - but not from, say, falling into a star, or any number of deaths too vicious to be broadcast before the watershed. (Although the event that caused the Capaldi > Whittaker regeneration was a fairly extreme one to survive!)

 

So what she said in this episode was true, even for her. Eventually, she'll encounter something so bad that regeneration can't help her.

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I've always kinda assumed they’d regenerate whatever happened (but am by no means an expert on the lore!), so the real danger is getting stuck in a never ending regeneration/death loop, such as if they’re in a situation like the one at the start of this week’s ep. If they can’t get away from whatever killed them after regenerating it would surely just kill them again and repeat infinitely.

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1 hour ago, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

Not really a spoiler but I so wish the next episode was set in SPACE rather than the USA. I mean come on..we’ve only just got started.

 

 

it's a spoiler for anyone who turned over before the two(!) trailers at the end of the episode. Like me.

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1 hour ago, SeanR said:

 

 

it's a spoiler for anyone who turned over before the two(!) trailers at the end of the episode. Like me.

 

But not the sort of spoiler the BBC usually do themselves, like the announcer introducing an episode with “And now it’s the return of the Cybermen” when it’s the first episode of a two parter where the identity of the enemy is supposed to be a mystery until a big reveal 5 seconds before the credits.

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2 hours ago, MrPogo said:

I've always kinda assumed they’d regenerate whatever happened (but am by no means an expert on the lore!), so the real danger is getting stuck in a never ending regeneration/death loop, such as if they’re in a situation like the one at the start of this week’s ep. If they can’t get away from whatever killed them after regenerating it would surely just kill them again and repeat infinitely.

 

The Matt Smith/Impossible Astronaut ep

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had him 'killed' with a second mortal wound during regeneration (even if it was a fake out).. So asphyxiating in space would likely be similarly fatal..

 

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14 hours ago, Jackson said:

The doctor and companions are fine but both the scripts have been so dull. Neither episode has had a clear problem/enemy to build situations around, just lots of running from one thing to the next with a few 'doctor like' speeches and explanations in between, it isn't gripping at all.

 

The weakest link of the new series was always going to be Chibnall's writing and so it's proving. He's co-written next weeks, and also written the following weeks too

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