Doctor Who

[Alex W.]

So, Season 4 is almost inevitably going to have the Daleks and The Master running into eachother, right?

ZOMG

[Matt]

zomg that was amazing

is next weeks the season finale? seems that season 3 has been going on for ages

[Bluejam]

Just watched it

Fucking brilliant.

[davidcotton]

I'd imagine Big Finish'll be on the blower to Jakobi.

Did I imagine an

Antony Ainley

laugh when he was looking at the watch?

And was there a reference to

U.N.I.T.?

in the trailer for next weeks?

Jacobi's already worked for Big Finish playing the doctor in one of the unbound series, written by Rob Shearman. He's also already played the Master once in the one off webcast Scream of the Shalka, written by Paul Cornell.

Thought that was great, and it seems that the outpost gallifrey forums just melted

[kensei]

But how is he not dead? Or are we just meant to assume he got out sometime between 8th-9th Doctor period?

Also, I liked the whole "If The Doctor can be young and strong..." bit. With The Doctor the process is meant to be random, but it was like The Master was deciding to be a young regeneration just by force of malevolent will.

Also - I wonder if this will run into the Christmas Special as well?

[JohnC]

is next weeks the season finale? seems that season 3 has been going on for ages

2 more left.

[cassidy]

Its taken me until now to compose myself into a state that is capable of typing this post.

Well that was all kinds of wonderful wasnt it.

Every time the Doctor said "Stop it" at Jack I laughed.

Jack flirting straight away = excellent

The resolution of Jacks immortality and the Doctor just saying "Your wrong" WOW, in fact the whole scene in the radiation room was a world of awesome.

Then my puny brain finally piecing it all together as Jacobi pulled out the pocket watch and the YANA thing.

"I AM THE MASTER" was the moment I finally exploded.

The regeneration was pitch perfect and those complaining about Simm, need to think back to Tennant straight after his regeneration and those regenerations of the past i.e. Colin Baker and Tom.

6/5 again. And Biglime I love you

[Ste Pickford]

I wonder if the doctor's severed hand is going to be used for anything? I kinda thought it was in Torchwood to provide a bit of a connection to Dr Who, but it was featured quite heavily in this show tonight. Maybe it was just to give an excuse to explain a bit more about the Doctor to Martha, but it was still prominent on the Tardis at the end with John Simm....

Oh yeah, loved it as well!

[cassidy]

I wonder if the doctor's severed hand is going to be used for anything? I kinda thought it was in Torchwood to provide a bit of a connection to Dr Who, but it was featured quite heavily in this show tonight. Maybe it was just to give an excuse to explain a bit more about the Doctor to Martha, but it was still prominent on the Tardis at the end with John Simm....

I noticed it and thought straight away The Master will be using that as a Doctor alarm.

[Aardvark]

I have a grin on my face so big I've had to borrow some time lord tech for it to fit.

Now, I wonder what The Master did with his tardis?

[Sideshow]

The regeneration was pitch perfect and those complaining about Simm, need to think back to Tennant straight after his regeneration and those regenerations of the past i.e. Colin Baker and Tom.

I've only ever been a casual viewer of Who and even I got that much. I'll never understand the negativity of some people on here.

6/5 again.

Exactly.

[Jack]

I think the Master had to use the hand to activate the TARDIS. Each TARDIS is attuned to its Time Lord owner, isn't it?

[mixed]

C'mon, he's the Master. He can go back, and using his nefarious and charismatic ways, get himself involved in British politics, eventually taking the role of PM

The Master is Tony Blair.

It's going to be brilliant.

[El Pibe]

It was excellent. Can't wait for next week's!

[Mogster]

But how is he not dead? Or are we just meant to assume he got out sometime between 8th-9th Doctor period?

Also, I liked the whole "If The Doctor can be young and strong..." bit. With The Doctor the process is meant to be random, but it was like The Master was deciding to be a young regeneration just by force of malevolent will.

Also - I wonder if this will run into the Christmas Special as well?

He would have escaped from the Eye if Harmony sometime between the TV movie and the current series, possibly during the Time War, but after all the flashbacks I'm thinking it must have been when Rose looked into the heart of the Tardis. After that his essence could have possessed pretty much anyone, possibly even our friend Jacobi. After that he somehow got access to a chameleon arch, and the rest is history. I wonder how he wangled himself a new set of regenerations though, unless of course Jacobi was a Time Lord to start with, but that wouldn't fit in with the timeline.

Also, most Time Lords had the ability to regenerate at will, into whatever form they chose. Romana for instance just regenerated for the hell of it, and actually selected her new form beforehand. The Doctor however has only ever regenerated when he had to in order to survive, or in Troughton's case when the Time Lords forced him to as a punishment.

[Boyatsea]

No, it's post Torchwood. Although granted the ending of Torchwood's finale and the beginning of this episode don't really seem to fit together, but I'm pretty sure that's what's happened.

Hmm. I'm not convinced. I think this is pre-Torchwood.

Doesn't the hand get smashed in Torchwood?

[Exidor]

He said he was born on some planet and had been drifting around the galaxy on ship to ship. His Tardis could be anywhere.

Remember how the human Doctor was convinced he was from Nottingham? The fact that he had a good laugh at his faked Utopia beacon after he turned back into the Master suggests (to me at least) that he set it up before turning himself human so that he'd have a job to do while he waited.

[Fireproofradiator]

I've only ever been a casual viewer of Who and even I got that much. I'll never understand the negativity of some people on here.

Exactly.

Give me a break. It's an observation.

[Mogster]

Hmm. I'm not convinced. I think this is pre-Torchwood.

Doesn't the hand get smashed in Torchwood?

Err, what's not to be convinced about? Jack said he'd been waiting on Earth since he got back in the early 20th century, met the Doctor in Cardiff in the present day, and left to do that at the end of Torchwood. The jar holding the hand was smashed in the second episode of Torchwood, but it was replaced and back for the rest of the series. It reacted to the Doctor when the Tardis turned up at the end of Torchwood. Furthermore, both John Barrowman and RTD have said it's set after Torchwood.

[sweetdaddyg]

woah, I was right about everything!

Rose let the Masters essence out of the heart of the tardis, it got into the watch, the master took a human form and then became timelord again, and I think perhaps the fact the master had the hand was the final thing to kickstart his regeneration....

I was almost sick with excitement...

[Boyatsea]

Err, what's not to be convinced about? Jack said he'd been waiting on Earth since he got back in the early 20th century, met the Doctor in Cardiff in the present day, and left to do that at the end of Torchwood. The jar holding the hand was smashed in the second episode of Torchwood, but it was replaced and back for the rest of the series. It reacted to the Doctor when the Tardis turned up at the end of Torchwood. Furthermore, both John Barrowman and RTD have said it's set after Torchwood.

But it doesn't match up with the Torchwood ending.

The TARDIS landed inside the hub at the very end of the series. He also didn't have the backpack on him in that episode, yet he does here. Where have they said its after Torchwood? I just got the impression that it was before. Otherwise it doesn't quite make sense.

[Garwoofoo]

But it doesn't match up with the Torchwood ending.

The TARDIS landed inside the hub at the very end of the series. He also didn't have the backpack on him in that episode, yet he does here. Where have they said its after Torchwood? I just got the impression that it was before. Otherwise it doesn't quite make sense.

I think it's close enough to work. So Jack had time to grab a rucksack before pegging it out of the base by a back exit? Probably if you watched them back to back then it would jar a bit but it didn't seem out of place to me.

I'm still buzzing from tonight's episode. I really didn't expect Simm to come into the series so early, and part of me still expected him not to be The Master anyway. That was pretty much a perfect introduction.

[cassidy]

But it doesn't match up with the Torchwood ending.

The TARDIS landed inside the hub at the very end of the series. He also didn't have the backpack on him in that episode, yet he does here. Where have they said its after Torchwood? I just got the impression that it was before. Otherwise it doesn't quite make sense.

I thought that but if you think about it, the end of torchwood you saw the wind picking up and it started blowing in the hub Then heard the Vwoor Vwoorp, we never saw the TARDIS land in the hub . But if the TARDIS lands directly above, then its close enough to do that. Jack heard it, saw the hand start bubbling away, grabbed his backpack which was pre-packed for such an event. (He knows the Dr wont be hanging around to refuel, due to him being in the TARDIS last time it happened) run to the other exit, and we then pick it up at the start of Utopia with him running from the other Torchwood entrance to the TARDIS. It also works geographically if you know the layout of Cardiff bay.

[Mogster]

But it doesn't match up with the Torchwood ending.

The TARDIS landed inside the hub at the very end of the series. He also didn't have the backpack on him in that episode, yet he does here. Where have they said its after Torchwood? I just got the impression that it was before. Otherwise it doesn't quite make sense.

The meet doesn't quite align, but then Torchwood would have been filmed some time before they'd decided quite how that would work out. It's a bit of a stretch, but I think we're meant to accept that Jack heard the Tardis noise coming from outside the Hub, as we never actually saw it materialise inside. He could have fetched his backpack on the way.

Like I said, John Barrowman and RTD have both stated that this is set after Torchwood season one. RTD is trying to keep the two shows as stand-alone as possible, which is why it didn't refer to the events of Torchwood too much, but at the very least it showed it to be set after Doctor Who season 2, what with the Canary Wharf references. As you'll recall, the Cyberwoman (*shudder*) was recovered from that event, which sets Torchwood after that series of Who.

[Garwoofoo]

Slightly OT, but Steven Moffat's Jekyll tonight was cheesy but intriguing. I'll be watching it next week for sure. Although the curly-haired gimp in the title role does a terrible Jack Nicholson impression.

Oh, and Outpost Gallifrey is still in a state of meltdown two and a half hours after the episode ended. Must have been a good'un then.

[Boyatsea]

I thought that but if you think about it, the end of torchwood you saw the wind picking up and it started blowing in the hub Then heard the Vwoor Vwoorp. Now if the TARDIS lands directly above then its close enough to do that. Jack heard it, saw the hand start bubbling away, grabbed his backpack which was pre-packed for such an event. (He knows the Dr wont be hanging around to refuel, due to him being in the TARDIS last time it happened) run to the other exit, and we then pick it up at the start of Utopia with him running from the other Torchwood entrance to the TARDIS. It also works geographically if you know the layout of Cardiff bay.

Hmm. I dunno. He went through his life - the 1800s and everything - and didn't mention Torchwood at all. Has anyone got a link to an interview or somesuch where they say whether this is before or after Torchwood?

[Boyatsea]

As you'll recall, the Cyberwoman (*shudder*) was recovered from that event, which sets Torchwood after that series of Who.

Yeah - but that changes nothing. If this is Captain Jack before Torchwood, Torchwood the TV series would still be after the second series of Who. Christ this is getting complicated.

I dunno. His hair looked different. The ending of Torchwood and the start of this episode didn't match up at all for me - didn't the last episode of Torchwood end at night anyway? I might be making that bit up. I got the specific feeling they were trying to suggest that this was before Torchwood, and that whatever happens at the end of that series happens in the future.

[Garwoofoo]

Hmm. I dunno. He went through his life - the 1800s and everything - and didn't mention Torchwood at all.

Surely deliberate, given that their stated aim is to keep the two series separate. Someone who'd watched Doctor Who only would know Torchwood as the big bad guys at the end of series 2, which would confuse them immensely if Jack suddenly spouted on about having worked for them. He might as well say he'd spent his gap year working for the Daleks.

[scottcr]

I punched the air at the end of that episode - absoloutely brilliant.

I spent most of the epsiode convinced that Derek Jacobi was some kind of form of Paul McGann's Doctor (for some reason) - and then I thought that it was the same watch that the Dr gave away in Family of Blood... The Wife convinced me that it wasn't.

So... rose does her thing at the end of series 1 - it has two side effects... making Jack immortal and releasing the master. He'd have to find his tardis, as that's where his Chameleon Arch would be. So - just how old was Prof Yana? Was he immortal, just with his timelordness concealed?

So many questions...

but I don't care abot the answers.

I was giddy with excitement tonight at that cliff hanger - I don't think I've seen such a great one since Riker said "Fire".

Series 3 has been absoloutely excellent and David Tennent IS The Doctor.

I don't want him to leave after series 4. I really don't.

[scottcr]

Yeah - but that changes nothing. If this is Captain Jack before Torchwood, Torchwood the TV series would still be after the second series of Who. Christ this is getting complicated.

I dunno. His hair looked different. The ending of Torchwood and the start of this episode didn't match up at all for me - didn't the last episode of Torchwood end at night anyway? I might be making that bit up. I got the specific feeling they were trying to suggest that this was before Torchwood, and that whatever happens at the end of that series happens in the future.

I think the only reason it didn't match up is because all the kids who don't watch torchwood would wonder what the hell was going on if the Tardis materialsed inside some underground base.

The way I saw it, the hand started wobbling and Jack grabbed his stuff and bolted up to the same place where the Tardis stopped in series one...