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Pre-watershed 'Torchwood' planned for kids

The new series of Torchwood will be repeated in a pre-watershed slot on BBC Two, it was revealed today.

The Doctor Who spinoff, known for its more violent and racy scenes, is transferring from BBC Three to a primetime slot on its terrestrial sibling when it returns for the new run in mid-January.

Speaking at a Torchwood press launch this morning, BBC Two controller Roly Keating said the move to introduce an edited version of the show for pre-watershed broadcast was in response to "popular demand from families and younger viewers".

Referring to the show's gay relationships, executive producer Russell T Davies added: "And no, the kissing won't be removed."

Torchwood is also being lined up as "a pillar" of the new BBC HD channel.

I suppose with Martha being in it now, this was bound to happen.

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I suppose with Martha being in it now, this was bound to happen.

It's a terrible idea, given the original concept of the show being "adult", because a properly adult show has mature content as part of its themes and ideas - content that is so intrinsic that stripping it out would essentially destroy the programme.

However, as the show turned out to essentially be a CBBC drama with swearing and violence clumsily forced in, this'll probably work famously.

But it doesn't exactly bode well for Season Two living up to the initial brief of the show. And that's a shame, because I was hoping that after its first-year shakedown cruise, it was going to really go for it.

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It's a terrible idea, given the original concept of the show being "adult", because a properly adult show has mature content as part of its themes and ideas - content that is so intrinsic that stripping it out would essentially destroy the programme.

Yeah that was my initial thought - if it's an 'adult' show then just taking out swearing and blood won't be enough, as the content should run throughout.

But, as I said, with Martha now being in it kids are going to want to watch it even more than the last series - it'll no doubt become a part of that BBC Switch on a Saturday.

The press have been shown the first (regular) episode:

1. James Marsters guests in the first episode as Captain John Hart, a fellow time agent who has "history" with Captain Jack.

2. The pair actually enjoyed a relationship, which lasted two weeks or five years, depending on which of them you ask. But both accounts are technically accurate.

3. Captain John wears a very special kind of lip gloss.

4. Eve has got engaged to dopey boyfriend Rhys in Captain Jack's absence, with their wedding set for midway through the series. I hear vampires may be among the uninvited guests...

5. Tonally the show seems very different this year. There's a lot of humour in the first episode, mostly surrounding Captain John (there are great similarities with Spike in this respect), but even Toshiko gets to crack the odd one-liner.

6. Captain Jack is looking to rekindle his relationship with Ianto. Apparently this will be a slow-burner throughout series two.

7. Despite this, Captain Jack is still playing the field. Expect lots of snogging with Captain John in episode one.

8. There are three rules for dealing with Captain John: don't believe anything he says, always keep him in front of you and under no circumstances, let him kiss you.

9. The Time Agency has been shut down.

10. There is a final minute revelation for Captain Jack that will play a part in the "humongous climax" to series two.

Some real revelations there :wacko:

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I watched 2 or 3 episodes of The Visitation last night to prepare myself for Nu-Tegan (or Catherine Tate as she's also known). I think Dr Who needs more fish monsters and disco robots. As an aside, Tegan is hotter than I remember her. I sort of had this image that she was a bit Kath and Kim.

Actually, given our love affair with Australian soaps since the early 80s, you'd think we would have had someone from Oz as a companion again. I still want Ron Weasley to be the new Turlough and Julia Sawalha to be the new Nissa.

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Blog entry from Off the Telly about Torchwood series 2 - I wouldn't say there are any real spoilers in there but just in case...

03 December 2007

"I'LL JUST WANK OFF IANTO"

Those words spoken, of course, by John Barrowman at this morning’s press launch for series two of Torchwood (TX-ing from mid January on BBC2). This was as he sat down next to Gareth David-Lloyd in the screening room. The first actual words spoken in the second series, though? Oh, go on then - “‘Scuse me, have you seen a blowfish driving a sports car?”

For those who griped about series one last year, there’ll be little to appease them here. Everyone still fancies everyone, it’s violent, glib, swaggering. I think it’s terrifically entertaining (an early scene features James Marsters dressed as Adam Ant, strolling into a nightclub telling all the people he doesn’t fancy to go home). Yes, it’s still a bit silly, but this time out - if anything - it knows that. Later on, Ianto tells Jack to search the roof of a building, commenting that he’s good on roofs. Oh, and right at the start, as the team turn up in pursuit of the aforementioned motoring fish, a witness mutters, “Bloody Torchwood” as they roll on by in the Mystery Machine.

The obvious main headline from the morning, I think, was the fact the show is going to get a pre-watershed repeat, meaning there’ll be a “clean” version in circulation sans the swearing and violence. But not the same sex snogging. That stays in. Oh, and James Marsters - who plays Jack’s former Time Agency colleague - will be returning later in the run. “I’ve found Gray,” he muttered enigmatically, as he disappeared into the rift, setting up this year’s over-arching macguffin - which Jack, of course, refused to talk about.

What else? Well, Andrew Cartmel was in attendance, although I’m guessing purely in the role of an interested onlooker.

As the morning drew on, I interviewed Eve Myles, who was effusive and fun. Gwen gets married this year! And Rhys finds out about her day (or is that night?) job! Would she appear in Doctor Who? “I’m not in the next series,” she said - the qualification piquing my interest, before Barrowman walked over and groped her tits.

Come lunchtime, it was face-to-face with the man himself. Clearly a little tired from the morning’s press activity, he seemed a tad “off-duty” and more candid than normal. Despite the previous incident, there was little innuendo here. As a result, I found him fascinating. I asked him about the slightly frosty fan reaction to series one.

“It’s usually the fan sites that have the problem,” he said. “The public don’t have the problem. You think it would be the other way around. I don’t know what the fan sites want. We try to give them science fiction, we try to give them stories that are bizarre, we try to give them characters who do outrageous things that are off-the-wall. And when you give it to them, they’re still ... I don’t know what it is. What we have to really establish is, we’re not Doctor Who. And if you’re looking for Doctor Who, you’re looking at the wrong show.”

My pet theory is fans are alienated by the overt sexuality in the show. The original run of Who was asexual, making it comfortable viewing for - how can I put this? - those who perhaps aren’t able to express their erotic desires.

“See, I disagree with you,” said Barrowman, “because all the fans I talk to are so glad. The letters that I get, and the emails I get are people saying, ‘Thank goodness for finally representing the omni-sexuality of somebody, because it reflects how I really am!’. So I just think, to be honest, the problem comes from the people from the old school. The new school of the Whovians and the Woodies - I call ‘em - are the ones who are more savvy. The old school are from the classic series. You know what? It’s long gone! It’s a piece of history. It stands on its own. I’m a fan, I love it, I still love watching them. But the new Who, Torchwood? We’re different. You can’t compare us to the other one. And I think that’s where the problem is. Get over it!”

Anyway, I sense I’m rambling a bit now. So I’ll bring this entry to a close with a couple more snippets. Both from Barrowman. First up, he owns every bit of merchandise with his face on it (plus the bullets he shot at that Dalek back in series one). And, two, he seems genuinely unsure if he’ll do a further series of Torchwood. Not that he wants to stop playing Jack, but he seemed to have huge issues with the production of the show.

“We’ll see how things work out, I haven’t made any decisions. If we do get the go-ahead, I’ll really have to sit down and think about it. It’s not the commitment. Honestly, this last series was a bit of a nightmare at times, because of bad scheduling. Because of production things going wrong ...”

# posted by Graham Kibble-White : 4:43 PM

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Would she appear in Doctor Who? “I’m not in the next series,” she said - the qualification piquing my interest

So my guess of

everyone from New Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane will appear in the 2009 specials

may be right :angry:

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So my guess of

everyone from New Who, Torchwood and Sarah Jane will appear in the 2009 specials

may be right :angry:

Oh God, I bloody hope not. That would be badness on an unimaginable scale. Almost as bad as that forum who all thought Johnny Vegas would make a brilliant Doctor, as opposed to a indescribably terrible one.

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Johnny Vegas would be amazing. He's a brilliant actor.

Ooh, what's he been good in? I'm basing my opinions on adverts for that channel 4 show where he poured eggs down his face, so yes, I might be very wrong about him. I can't help feeling that he might just be too against type to work, though, although he'd certainly be a contrast to David Tennant.

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Ooh, what's he been good in? I'm basing my opinions on adverts for that channel 4 show where he poured eggs down his face, so yes, I might be very wrong about him. I can't help feeling that he might just be too against type to work, though, although he'd certainly be a contrast to David Tennant.

Oh he'll never get the role and he would be very different but I think he's a superb actor.

Watch him in the Paul Whitehouse thing (Happiness?), some of the scenes with his kids will make you cry.

He apparently nearly got the role of Sam in LOTR which he would have been perfect for. Why they went with the American bloke I'll never know.

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Blog entry from Off the Telly about Torchwood series 2 - I wouldn't say there are any real spoilers in there but just in case...

03 December 2007

"I'LL JUST WANK OFF IANTO"

Those words spoken, of course, by John Barrowman at this morning’s press launch for series two of Torchwood (TX-ing from mid January on BBC2). This was as he sat down next to Gareth David-Lloyd in the screening room. The first actual words spoken in the second series, though? Oh, go on then - “‘Scuse me, have you seen a blowfish driving a sports car?”

For those who griped about series one last year, there’ll be little to appease them here. Everyone still fancies everyone, it’s violent, glib, swaggering. I think it’s terrifically entertaining (an early scene features James Marsters dressed as Adam Ant, strolling into a nightclub telling all the people he doesn’t fancy to go home). Yes, it’s still a bit silly, but this time out - if anything - it knows that. Later on, Ianto tells Jack to search the roof of a building, commenting that he’s good on roofs. Oh, and right at the start, as the team turn up in pursuit of the aforementioned motoring fish, a witness mutters, “Bloody Torchwood” as they roll on by in the Mystery Machine.

The obvious main headline from the morning, I think, was the fact the show is going to get a pre-watershed repeat, meaning there’ll be a “clean” version in circulation sans the swearing and violence. But not the same sex snogging. That stays in. Oh, and James Marsters - who plays Jack’s former Time Agency colleague - will be returning later in the run. “I’ve found Gray,” he muttered enigmatically, as he disappeared into the rift, setting up this year’s over-arching macguffin - which Jack, of course, refused to talk about.

What else? Well, Andrew Cartmel was in attendance, although I’m guessing purely in the role of an interested onlooker.

As the morning drew on, I interviewed Eve Myles, who was effusive and fun. Gwen gets married this year! And Rhys finds out about her day (or is that night?) job! Would she appear in Doctor Who? “I’m not in the next series,” she said - the qualification piquing my interest, before Barrowman walked over and groped her tits.

Come lunchtime, it was face-to-face with the man himself. Clearly a little tired from the morning’s press activity, he seemed a tad “off-duty” and more candid than normal. Despite the previous incident, there was little innuendo here. As a result, I found him fascinating. I asked him about the slightly frosty fan reaction to series one.

“It’s usually the fan sites that have the problem,” he said. “The public don’t have the problem. You think it would be the other way around. I don’t know what the fan sites want. We try to give them science fiction, we try to give them stories that are bizarre, we try to give them characters who do outrageous things that are off-the-wall. And when you give it to them, they’re still ... I don’t know what it is. What we have to really establish is, we’re not Doctor Who. And if you’re looking for Doctor Who, you’re looking at the wrong show.”

My pet theory is fans are alienated by the overt sexuality in the show. The original run of Who was asexual, making it comfortable viewing for - how can I put this? - those who perhaps aren’t able to express their erotic desires.

“See, I disagree with you,” said Barrowman, “because all the fans I talk to are so glad. The letters that I get, and the emails I get are people saying, ‘Thank goodness for finally representing the omni-sexuality of somebody, because it reflects how I really am!’. So I just think, to be honest, the problem comes from the people from the old school. The new school of the Whovians and the Woodies - I call ‘em - are the ones who are more savvy. The old school are from the classic series. You know what? It’s long gone! It’s a piece of history. It stands on its own. I’m a fan, I love it, I still love watching them. But the new Who, Torchwood? We’re different. You can’t compare us to the other one. And I think that’s where the problem is. Get over it!”

Anyway, I sense I’m rambling a bit now. So I’ll bring this entry to a close with a couple more snippets. Both from Barrowman. First up, he owns every bit of merchandise with his face on it (plus the bullets he shot at that Dalek back in series one). And, two, he seems genuinely unsure if he’ll do a further series of Torchwood. Not that he wants to stop playing Jack, but he seemed to have huge issues with the production of the show.

“We’ll see how things work out, I haven’t made any decisions. If we do get the go-ahead, I’ll really have to sit down and think about it. It’s not the commitment. Honestly, this last series was a bit of a nightmare at times, because of bad scheduling. Because of production things going wrong ...”

# posted by Graham Kibble-White : 4:43 PM

So it's going to be shite again then? I'm actually looking forward to the 'kiddie' edit.

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