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Petrousgyre

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I think Wenger got it wrong (selling all of your experienced players)

I'm not so sure he did, most of the players he's sold on were reaching the end of their careers, at least in very pacy, dynamic side like Arsenal. He also had to recoup some money and spend very frugally as we've just spent nearly half a billion on a stadium in the middle of a serious financial meltdown with no real external investment to speak of. We've still challenged for the league and consistently been in the last 16 of the CL despite these massive financial constraints. My obvious bias aside it surprises me how little this is commented on.

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It's all well and good saying that players like Pires and Viera wouldn't necessarily fit into Arsenal's 'new' style of play and it is of course completely subjective as to whether their experience would have benefited the team, but coming from a United point of view the experience that the older players have is beneficial to the club on every level. They may not have the legs but the experience they have of winning trophies and the impact they have on the team when the pressure is on and their help in developing players simply can't be underestimated. It's that trophy winning experience that I think Arsenal (and Wenger) were wrong to get rid of, the current team talk about how they can win the league but isn't Clichy the only player in the squad who actually knows what it takes to do it?

Like I said it's not simply about ability, there is something tangible that their experience brings to the club. The ideal situation for Arsenal is that the current crop of players stay with Arsenal, win trophies and develop in the same fashion without the club feeling the need to ship them off once they get past 30.

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Petrousgyre

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It's all well and good saying that players like Pires and Viera wouldn't necessarily fit into Arsenal's 'new' style of play and it is of course completely subjective as to whether their experience would have benefited the team

No, that wasn't my point. There was no 'new' style of play, Wenger's been playing this style of quick, fluid counter-attacking football since he arrived at Arsenal which renders this media bollocks about Arsenal aping Guardiola's Barca risible. 'm sure their experience would have benefited the team but they were nearing the end of their careers and Wenger had to sell them whilst he could in order make some money as we have a very expensive stadium to pay back loans on. That was my point.

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I'm sure their experience would have benefited the team but they were nearing the end of their careers and Wenger had to sell them whilst he could in order make some money as we have a very expensive stadium to pay back loans on. That was my point.

Fair enough, you didn't mention the money in your previous posts.

Yeah, and perhaps Wenger knows better than phresh. As incredible as that sounds :) .

We've both won the same number of trophies in the last 5 years :P

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Petrousgyre

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Fair enough, you didn't mention the money in your previous posts.

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I'm not so sure he did, most of the players he's sold on were reaching the end of their careers, at least in very pacy, dynamic side like Arsenal. He also had to recoup some money and spend very frugally as we've just spent nearly half a billion on a stadium in the middle of a serious financial meltdown with no real external investment to speak of. We've still challenged for the league and consistently been in the last 16 of the CL despite these massive financial constraints. My obvious bias aside it surprises me how little this is commented on.

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Yeah, well we just beat Barca mate can you give us five minutes to enjoy it before jumping into our thread going on about how great United are again?

Yeah sorry, but i've not said United are great and i'm probably one of the only neutrals who thought you would stand a chance against Barca and possibly beat them.

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I've only just calmed down now! Well what is their to say?? I think everyone is in agreement that Wilshere was amazing last night as was Koscielny, Fabregas didn't have the best of games but as a collective performance i thought everyone played well. I'm glad Sagna will be back for the second leg though as we need him to help defend our lead (even though i know arsenal will not sit back, he's a quality defender and alot better than eboue) I'm hoping that by the time the second leg gets under way we have our first silverware with this team :D

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lol, another useless tool trotting out that brilliant new journalistic cliché: "The only way to beat Barça is how Inter did it at Camp Nou!" Yeah well I hate to break it to you poppet, but Inter lost that game, and would have lost the tie too were it not for some very poor officiating.

The actual reason they beat Barcelona was because they soundly tonked them at the San Siro; a game in which they didn't let the opposition have 96% of the possession, didn't put ten men behind the ball, and didn't have Lucio and Samuel pushing the dark arts of defending to the limit.

I didn't say that was the only way to beat them you mug, I said that's the only way to deal with them at the Nou Camp, you wanna talk about luck? Messi's header should have stood, and if he squares the ball instead of being greedy, that's another goal. They walked through your defence on numerous occasions. Maybe I should have said Mourinho, as Chelsea were the first to keep Barca relatively under wraps. I should have known better than to talk about actual football tactics in the Arsenal thread! Oh yeah, I forgot, YOOOOU'VE GOT FABREGAS! YOOOOOU'VE GOT FABREGAS! clappidy clap clap, you can't lose!

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It's scarcely worth replying to this drivel but you replied to my comment, inexplicably, so I feel compelled. Advising Arsenal to play as Inter did at the Nou Camp is just nonsense - Mourinho is a master of that sort of dirge and had a team ideally suited to playing in that style, they still lost 2-1 and they rode their luck to an unbelievable degree. What else, lets see - Fabregas wank, sure, sure - RVP greedy, good stuff - Wenger tactically inept, his team has just beaten what's considered by some to be the best side ever to play football with a team that cost, what, around £40 million - the man's clearly a footbaliing moron. Oh and Bendtner was sent on to play in a more defensive role, one not suited to Chamakh- he also started the move for the second goal with an astute pass to Wilshere.

Once again, you divs are missing the point completely, I'm talking about the way you defend, not the way you play. We'll see anyway, I guaruntee if you try to play that high line against them again, you will get smashed in the 2nd leg.

Fuck off you useless tosser.

Make me.

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I didn't say that was the only way to beat them you mug, I said that's the only way to deal with them at the Nou Camp, you wanna talk about luck? Messi's header should have stood, and if he squares the ball instead of being greedy, that's another goal. They walked through your defence on numerous occasions. Maybe I should have said Mourinho, as Chelsea were the first to keep Barca relatively under wraps. I should have known better than to talk about actual football tactics in the Arsenal thread! Oh yeah, I forgot, YOOOOU'VE GOT FABREGAS! YOOOOOU'VE GOT FABREGAS! clappidy clap clap, you can't lose!

I thought there was a consensus not to troll in the team threads? Mind you I wouldn't put it past you to actually think these things. Genius things such as "lol why did he bring Bendtner on instead of Chamakh?!?!" Things that anyone with half a brain, Gooner or not, can work out, but things which are beyond the capabilities of your tiny mind.

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Once again, you divs are missing the point completely, I'm talking about the way you defend, not the way you play. We'll see anyway, I guaruntee if you try to play that high line against them again, you will get smashed in the 2nd leg.

So the way you play football is distinct from defending? Your advice is to imitate a team that lost at the Nou Camp playing in a style that's entirely unsuited to the way Arsenal play. You're a tactical mastermind, clearly.

Regardless, anyone else concerned about the approach that Orient are saying they'll take? Largely kicking up us in the air seems to be the gist of it, if we suffer a serious injury I'll be jolly annoyed. Furious, even.

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Regardless, anyone else concerned about the approach that Orient are saying they'll take? Largely kicking up us in the air seems to be the gist of it, if we suffer a serious injury I'll be jolly annoyed. Furious, even.

It certainly is fighting talk..

Leyton Orient captain Stephen Dawson believes Arsenal will have a tough time in their FA Cup clash on Sunday.

Arsene Wenger's side visit Brisbane Road days after their Champions League win over Barcelona, but if Dawson's words are anything to go by, this test will be just as tough.

Dawson claims Arsenal will have to get used to Orient's pitch, and a rather more physical approach from their League One opponents.

The Irishman told The Observer: "I don't think it will be like the Emirates, it's not the flattest you'll ever see.

"It will help us. They've got the Carling Cup final next week and Barcelona at the Camp Nou, they don't want to be doing a 50-50 challenge at Brisbane Road.

"We're not just going to stand around and admire how they play. Whoever I mark, be it Cesc Fábregas or Alexandre Song or Jack Wilshere, whoever they put out, you want to put one over on them and beat them. That's the main thing. Whether it involves a tackle or not, that's part of football isn't it?

"Against Ipswich and Huddersfield and Leeds Arsenal got put under pressure and I don't think they really liked it. It's not about kicking them around, it's about getting in their faces - we're going to be right on top of them.

"I know they are professionals [but] there are an awful lot of internationals who might have the mentality, 'OK, let's just get through the game'."

Mind games or not, this is more or less a physical threat. I'm sure they'll just be committed and work hard but it's not really what you want to hear, it doesn't do their Club any favours IMO. Wilshere said we needed to get nasty against Barca but we were never going to, everyone knew that. I think his choice of word was unfortunate. I think this Orient approach is a bit out of date really, but it's their choice.

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Even Wenger's defensive tactics were better than Phresh's idea of 'showing Messi across the front of the box' :lol:

Well, it worked the season we did beat them in the CL despite your best efforts to suggest Chelsea were the first team to work out how to play them.

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