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The PS2 sold bucketloads early on to the Jap market due to the fact it had a DVD player. They faced the issue of:

game system + seperate DVD player = £600 or

game system + built in DVD player = £300

realistically PS3 would need to be $200 - $300 more expensive for those punters to consider an XBOX360 and HD player instead of 1 single PS3.

However if the XBOX360 add on is $100 for example then this would still make the XBOX360 with HD support cheaper than the PS3.

Sure, but still the dvds were a revelation for home movies, back then right?

I mean that only a few, in the beginning at least, would bother to think the bluray video as a great investment for them,

a new x360 for $200 less is much more desirable than ps3,

but sure as the next-gen gets middle aged lots would think that ps3 would be a solid bargain.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4074550.stm

"Players compatible for the formats are already on sale in Japan, but will not hit western markets until next year. "

So they are allready on sale in japan? Why, there are no films or recordable discs out for them yet.

"He added that the discs would be ready in time for the release of its HD-DVD recorders and PCs with HD-DVD drives, early in 2006.

Sony said Blu-ray-based write-once discs could be available as early as the end of 2005. "

Maybe the HD-DVD era is comming sooner than I thought.

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Sure, but still the dvds were a revelation for home movies, back then right?

I mean that only a few, in the beginning at least, would bother to think the bluray video as a great investment for them,

a new x360 for $200 less is much more desirable than ps3,

but sure as the next-gen gets middle aged lots would think that ps3 would be a solid bargain.

People that I have spoken to that have seen images and short clips of HD films say that the difference is incredible. Easily as big as the jump from VHS to DVD. I'm not convinced yet myself.

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I'm just talking about general public reaction to such an idea though. Imagine the Daily Mail view, it just wouldn't be pretty for MS if they did something so drastic, suuurely.

You're still assuming it'll be two different models, though - a much more sensible option would be an external drive that can upgrade any 360.

That said, you're still right (damn your hide!) - having anything non-trivial (eyetoy etc) that splits a userbase into two separate development areas gaming-wise is going to be shit. Or full of the modern equivalent of FMV.

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"He added that the discs would be ready in time for the release of its HD-DVD recorders and PCs with HD-DVD drives, early in 2006.

Now this could be interesting - what would happen if Microsoft only support HD-DVD drives in Windows and not Blu-Ray?
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Now this could be interesting - what would happen if Microsoft only support HD-DVD drives in Windows and not Blu-Ray?

That's a really good point. Would people stop using windows or Blue-ray. It's hypothetical really as the Haxxors would soon get the blue-ray discs working on windows.

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Why are they pushing hd so much? I mean casual dvd quality is great, sure hd is better, but still, no one is craving for it. ;)

I'm looking forward to HD movie content as well.

People do want it, even if you don't know anybody that does. The "man on the street" may not care but that's because the "man on the street" doesn't know anything about it. He only knows about what's shoved down his throat by the maintstream media and because the "man on the street" has a rubbish telly to begin with (probably connected with composite cables and displaying the wrong aspect ratio if it's widescreen).

I wouldn't buy a PS3 over XB360 just because of the BluRay movie playback - mainly because of memories of the terrible DVD playback on PS2 - but I know people who would. Plus it's one of those "selling points" that muppets in Dixons/Currys will use to recommend the PS3 over the XB360 to confused parents.

I think one of the key tests for HD in the UK will be when Sky HD launches next year. It's hard to say which way it will go, I'm inclined to agree that many people won't understand or won't care about it. But if they market it, for example, to young, tech-savvy males based upon how nice it makes the footie look on a Sunday afternoon then it might take off quicker than you think B)

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The footy is going to be one of the places where it will really show. Some of the standard camera angles at grounds make players look quite blocky in normal def. I guess this'll be greatly improved in HD

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Small point but PS3 is Blu-Ray not HD-DVD.

Also, Hitcher, the newer one does allow prog scan DVD yeah (although didn't the old one with a firmware upgrade?), but the old one still played DVDs. It's not the same as person 1 owning an X360 with DVD and person 2 owning an X360 with HD-DVD, opening up a completely new market to them.... whilst person 1 is sat there with his DVD going, "layer transition may trigger a slight pause", wtf?! Person 2 has HD-DVD!

The way I see it is like this, you could compare it to the network card on the PS2. The original ones didn't have it but it was an optional extra. Not many people cared about online play but some did. Just like the X360 will probably not include HD-DVD but have the HD-DVD drive as an optional extra, not many people care about watching HD films, but those that do can with the upgrade. Then in the future, much like Sony have done with the PStwo and the ethernet port, Microsoft will probably release a version with it built in.

People that I have spoken to that have seen images and short clips of HD films say that the difference is incredible. Easily as big as the jump from VHS to DVD. I'm not convinced yet myself.

Microsoft used to host high definition videos on their site to show off WMP10's ability to play them, I have to say the difference is like night and day in comparison to DVD. No idea if they are still available for download though...

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Now this could be interesting - what would happen if Microsoft only support HD-DVD drives in Windows and not Blu-Ray?

Well, quite aside from annoying some large PC companies like Dell and HP, who are members of the BDA and therefore pretty certainly going to have computers with Blu-ray drives....how do Microsoft even do that? Surely anything they come up with could be undone pretty quickly by whatever software the drive itself would use?

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He means HD broadcast TV, not HD DVD.

But you're right that BR should crap on HD DVD, but then Betamax was better than VHS but we all know who won there (thanks to porno on VHS).

Betamax v VHS = picturequality v usability.

Betamax was too short (60mins) meaning you couldn't fit a film on a tape. VHS was 3hrs.

They increased Betamax tape length, but by then economies of scale ment VHS was much cheaper.

For this war we have:

Blueray = Stores more.

HD-DVD = Cheaper media.

It'll come down to cost and what movies are available - if HD-DVD players are half the price of Blueray then we'll be sorted. Media prices won't be far apart, most of the cost from them is studio markup.

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Well, quite aside from annoying some large PC companies like Dell and HP, who are members of the BDA and therefore pretty certainly going to have computers with Blu-ray drives....how do Microsoft even do that? Surely anything they come up with could be undone pretty quickly by whatever software the drive itself would use?

Yep, and I suspect M$'s main concern with new video standards is that their own codec gets included in the official spec.

I can't see any way M$ can do anything about BluRay drives for PC's and even if they try then some kind hackers or hardware vedor will circumvent the problem for us <_<

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Betamax v VHS = picturequality v usability.

Betamax was too short (60mins) meaning you couldn't fit a film on a tape.  VHS was 3hrs.

They increased Betamax tape length, but by then economies of scale ment VHS was much cheaper.

For this war we have:

Blueray = Stores more.

HD-DVD = Cheaper media.

It'll come down to cost and what movies are available - if HD-DVD players are half the price of Blueray then we'll be sorted.  Media prices won't be far apart, most of the cost from them is studio markup.

Oh, totally agree with you, I'm not an advocate of Beta!

But I still maintain that porno was the major difference between the two formats. VHS porno flooded the market and, let's face it, every major technological advance is driven in to the mainstream by porn. Sure the geeks will buy it anyway but it's porno that sells stuff like this to the mainstrem.

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Yep, and I suspect M$'s main concern with new video standards is that their own codec gets included in the official spec.

I can't see any way M$ can do anything about BluRay drives for PC's and even if they try then some kind hackers or hardware vedor will circumvent the problem for us  <_<

I thought MS got their codec included in both formats? I'm sure they would have Windows support both anyway. It would be stupid not to.

Anyway, does the article the thread started with say they will not support Blu-Ray? People seem to be assuming they would not just because they are supporting HD-DVD. No reason not to support both. Just like they support both Intel and AMD or ATI and Nvidia.

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From Kotaku:

Oh, and the Toshiba folks also spilled the beans on HD-DVD and the Xbox 360, saying that the next-gen console will use the new format for its media and whining about how Microsoft is dragging their feet on the official announcement.

which I read as supporting HDDVD as standard, rather than a future revision. I *really* want this to be true...

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